And yet he can just pick them up and be handed/loaned them. Same to how Ventus learns his. Yet, he can also combine his, like they were simply items. Hmm...
Link's pretty fast, too, ya know. I believe there's also a range for that time stop spell. Same with Magnet, but whatever. Mask/Lens of Truth > Blind, which isn't really blind anyway, it's simply obstructed vision.
How about Sora's forms? Final and all those noises, too.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
And yet he can just pick them up and be handed/loaned them. Same to how Ventus learns his. Yet, he can also combine his, like they were simply items. Hmm...Link's pretty fast, too, ya know. I believe there's also a range for that time stop spell. Same with Magnet, but whatever. Mask/Lens of Truth > Blind, which isn't really blind anyway, it's simply obstructed vision.
How about Sora's forms? Final and all those noises, too.
Abilities in real life can be combined together so it's no stretch to assume the same can be said for magical abilities. Since when did nitpicking gameplay mechanics start counting as an argument?
Compared to these guys he is not. Teleport in range, problem solved. And I dunno. Lens of Truth seems to be used to find invisible things, not actually help the blind see.
I can't see how they matter at all here.
The problem is that Sora's reaction time feats far outdo ven's. He could cast anything before Ven could.
Not to mention physically, Sora could very well rush up and smack Ven with his keyblade faster than Ven could use magic.
The obvious counterargument to that is Sonic could stop Sora, seeing as he's faster still.
But if Sonic went for Link first rather than Sora...
you get the idea. 😛
Originally posted by MadMel
The problem is that Sora's reaction time feats far outdo ven's. He could cast anything before Ven could.
Not to mention physically, Sora could very well rush up and smack Ven with his keyblade faster than Ven could use magic.
The obvious counterargument to that is Sonic could stop Sora, seeing as he's faster still.
But if Sonic went for Link first rather than Sora...you get the idea. 😛
Auto-teleport says "Hai gais, who's up for a stop at the snack shack?"
Physically, either could kill Ven without much effort. They certainly have enough strength behind them. They just won't hit him is all.
Abilities in real life can't be found on the ground after slaying something. Welcome to KMC games!
It sees through illusions, which is all that Blind would be. An illusion that obstructs vision. Link has dealt with teleports before. Pretty sure it happened in OoT a few times. We know he at least fought Ganon.
Bigger and better magic might help him out somehow. Perhaps allow him to trap Ventus in a Magnet while out of range of the time stop spell Ventus has that I really don't remember anyway. And doesn't Reflect block junk, too?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Abilities in real life can't be found on the ground after slaying something. Welcome to KMC games!It sees through illusions, which is all that Blind would be. An illusion that obstructs vision. Link has dealt with teleports before. Pretty sure it happened in OoT a few times. We know he at least fought Ganon.
Bigger and better magic might help him out somehow. Perhaps allow him to trap Ventus in a Magnet while out of range of the time stop spell Ventus has that I really don't remember anyway. And doesn't Reflect block junk, too?
Sure they can be. Just have to put things into perspective.
I've seen all the Ganon fights from OoT and I do not recall a teleport. Kindly supply one. Ven shrinks them or puts them to sleep in the meantime.
If he is in range to cast magic he is in range to be affected by it. And I don't think reflect would be capable of reflecting a stop time ability.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yeah. No. 😐 Abilities also cannot be loaned.I dunno then. Pretty sure there was one in OoT.
Why not? It blocks everything else. And I don't think so. Magic is different among the different forms. So far Final Form tends to have a bigger range on stuff, and more power in general.
Put it in perspective young chap. 😉
Kindly supply a video.
Sora can cast both magnet and reflect at the same time? Reflect reflects damage, which time stopping doesn't cause anyway so it doesn't matter matter much. And D-Link.
D-link was useless. I never once used it when playing BBS. 😛
But anyways - Auto-teleport is a gameplay mechanic. It still relies on Ven's reaction time, which is slower than Sora's. Not to mention just about all of Sora's major enemies could teleport as well. Indeed, the final boss of KH2 proves that Sora can move very quickly against teleporters. 😬
The only teleport I remember in Ocarina of Time is with Phantom Ganon, but that's not so much teleporting as using portals to come out of a random painting, and Link had to guess which. Other than that, maybe Dark Link's 'diappear when damaged, then reappear' thing would count?
Also, Link uses Deku Nuts; wins.
Originally posted by MadMel
D-link was useless. I never once used it when playing BBS. 😛But anyways - Auto-teleport is a gameplay mechanic. It still relies on Ven's reaction time, which is slower than Sora's. Not to mention just about all of Sora's major enemies could teleport as well. Indeed, the final boss of KH2 proves that Sora can move very quickly against teleporters. 😬
I can say the same thing. Much for fun with them though. Especially the harder fights.
Auto-teleport is an ability granted from a D-Link. It's legitimate. And I never said Sora couldn't react to teleporting foes. Just the majority of them are not stopping time with their attacks.
Originally posted by The Scenario
The only teleport I remember in Ocarina of Time is with Phantom Ganon, but that's not so much teleporting as using portals to come out of a random painting, and Link had to guess which. Other than that, maybe Dark Link's 'diappear when damaged, then reappear' thing would count?Also, Link uses Deku Nuts; wins.
Nope. 😛
There is a bit of a problem with that.
Originally posted by MadMel
They wouldn't need to. The majority of them would one-hit kill Sora with a combo after the teleported. 😬
(unless last chance and once more were activated, obviously. 😉 )also - remind me, does stop wear off after a hit or a combo?
Well Sephiroth maybe but no one else comes to mind. And it's not like he's casting magic after the teleporting. 😛
I don't remember. Not that it matters because once stop is in play, Ven can one hit them with a FTL attack. 😛
Originally posted by MadMel
Sorry I was counting Vanitus as well for some reason. 😛And I doubt Ven would be strong enough to 1-hit Sora. 😬
Vanitus was a bastard. Hated him.
He is if he cheats. evillaugh
Note: Realized earlier that D-Linking with Mickey would give him Auto-teleport but it would not give him the time stop spell. Looks like Team one stands more of a chance now then before. Need to ask Loys if Ven starts in his armor or not.
Edit: It does give him Mini though, which he could use to screw Team 1 over.
I like Vanitus' keyblade. And his stance (it was like Riku's stance, only better 😛 )
Does mini slow people down? Because if not Sora can still outrun him until it wears off. Hell, he could probably attack Ven's ankles.
There's also a possibility that reflega could guard against mini and stop. It works against every other kind of magic. 😬
Originally posted by MadMel
I like Vanitus' keyblade. And his stance (it was like Riku's stance, only better 😛 )Does mini slow people down? Because if not Sora can still outrun him until it wears off. Hell, he could probably attack Ven's ankles.
There's also a possibility that reflega could guard against mini and stop. It works against every other kind of magic. 😬
He wishes he could match Riku's awesomeness. 313
Ven runs them over.
Most magic I can recall it working against was projectile magic that appear to be blockable. If you can bring up and example, I'll reconsider the mini argument.
I didn't like Riku much for some reason. Maybe it was the whole "I'm Anakin Skywalker in reverse" thing, but he just bugged me.
That and he was damn near useless in the Xemnas fight. 😛
I can't give you an example because no enemies in KH1 or 2 use stop or mini. 😉
My argument is simply since reflect was designed to block all magic attacks, I don't see why it wouldn't work against a magic attack like stop or mini.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You have some selective logic. Wasn't it you I got into the argument with about Sora being able to summon four keyblades? You thought he could even though he only demonstrated the ability to call two of his own, and I said it was bullshit? And now Ventus' heart gives him a pretty big power and you won't believe it gives him any more?Magnet lets Link hit people and stuff. It's nifty. How is Sonic's magic resistance?
The werehog thing, maybe. But isn't that thing loads slower than regular Sonic?
again... Ventus's spells and commands are better than Sora's. Sonic doesn't need resistance because Ventus is the better caster.
TIME SPLICER
Slot Blade + Magnera
Note: Ven Only // Rare //
http://www.gamefaqs.com/psp/943347-kingdom-hearts-birth-by-sleep/faqs/60070
he also has zero graviga, stop, and a bunch of magnet variations too, like Magnet Spiral for instance. Ther's others, but I can't think of their names. I think one of them cast stop on your enemy too.
Ventus's wingblade style gives him 6 blades... just saying.
The commands you buy in the mirage arena can heal your allies too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAs96eony7o&feature=related
2:25
The werehog form is slower than regular Sonic, but he's still faster than Link.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
.Loys needs to do his job and provide feats.
more feats for werehog...
1:28 strength feat
durability feat at the beginning
feats for reg. Sonic and super start at 1:15 - 3:12
edit: why can't I keep Xenocide?