Arab Uprising

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Am I the only one who finds it sad when people care more about the US economy than human freedom?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Am I the only one who finds it sad when people care more about the US economy than human freedom?

I think its sad too...but understandable if you subscribe to the belief that humans are inherently self-interested.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think its sad too...but understandable if you subscribe to the belief that humans are inherently self-interested.

If you subscribe to that belief, shouldn't you be trying to transcend it?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Am I the only one who finds it sad when people care more about the US economy than human freedom?

You are thinking in very simplistic terms and it's just...well, not that simple.
First of all, it's not the US economy...it's the world economy. If oil spirals high enough food will do the same...and a lot of people could starve. Many people who live in colder regions of the world depend on heating oil and won't be able to afford it. Like it or not the world is still mortally dependant on oil. And it remains to be seen if the countries where the uprisings have lready occured will obtain "freedom".

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
You are thinking in very simplistic terms and it's just...well, not that simple.
First of all, it's not the US economy...it's the world economy. If oil spirals high enough food will do the same...and a lot of people could starve. Many people who live in colder regions of the world depend on heating oil and won't be able to afford it. Like it or not the world is still mortally dependant on oil. And it remains to be seen if the countries where the uprisings have lready occured will obtain "freedom".

What would you suggest. You obviously don't want government change; what kind of fate do you expect the arab world to subject itself to, just for the sake of the international economy? What would it take for you to support their quest for democratization?

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Many people who live in colder regions of the world depend on heating oil and won't be able to afford it.

you mean the 1st world highly industrialized oil producing nations? Or the freezing african nations?

Originally posted by King Kandy
If you subscribe to that belief, shouldn't you be trying to transcend it?

What's in it for me? haw-som

I really can't understand it when people complain about a problem and do nothing to fix it... isn't there supposed to be some kind of spirit of ingenuity in mankind that makes us desire to improve things? What does this say about the human race?

Originally posted by King Kandy
I really can't understand it when people complain about a problem and do nothing to fix it...

no, and I agree with you on this. disruption of oil supply would be a fairly low price to pay if it ment some type of liberating of Saudi Arabia

Though, SA is a much different place than Egypt or Tunisia, and the success of a protest movement short of revolutionary army like we see in Libya, might not be effective, and there is no certainty that a more progressive gvt would take its place, religious authorities are very powerful.

Originally posted by King Kandy
isn't there supposed to be some kind of spirit of ingenuity in mankind that makes us desire to improve things? What does this say about the human race?

its like altruism and evil. we are each capable of performing unfathomable acts of either

Originally posted by inimalist
no, and I agree with you on this. disruption of oil supply would be a fairly low price to pay if it ment some type of liberating of Saudi Arabia

Though, SA is a much different place than Egypt or Tunisia, and the success of a protest movement short of revolutionary army like we see in Libya, might not be effective, and there is no certainty that a more progressive gvt would take its place, religious authorities are very powerful.

its like altruism and evil. we are each capable of performing unfathomable acts of either


But in this case, its more like action or apathy.

Originally posted by King Kandy
But in this case, its more like action or apathy.

ya, totally, I was trying for an analogy

Originally posted by King Kandy
Am I the only one who finds it sad when people care more about the US economy than human freedom?

I think your statement is very misleading. I think this is how it should read:

"Am I the only one who finds it sad when people care more about their country and their people than the country and people in another nation?"

The answer to that would be: depends on how linked and how related that country is to the people and country of the other.

Originally posted by King Kandy
If you subscribe to that belief, shouldn't you be trying to transcend it?

Why? Just because someone thinks that transcending it is better? The "better" would be an opinion. One may think that suvival of the fittest is best. One may think pure communism, holding hands, and singing after smoking a bowl, is best.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Am I the only one who finds it sad when people care more about the US economy than human freedom?

Nope, its is sad. Just shows money has become more important than people, and this sad transition probably happened a long time ago.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Nope, its is sad. Just shows money has become more important than people, and this sad transition probably happened a long time ago.
Right around the time we realized that possessing more stuff than our neighbors makes us dominant. So abooout... 10,000 years ago. Ish.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Right around the time we realized that possessing more stuff than our neighbors makes us dominant. So abooout... 10,000 years ago. Ish.

impossible, god made the earth only 6,000 years ago 😆

Originally posted by King Kandy
What would you suggest. You obviously don't want government change; what kind of fate do you expect the arab world to subject itself to, just for the sake of the international economy? What would it take for you to support their quest for democratization?

First of all, I don't believe WE are a true democracy. In this country EVERYTHING is about money. Elections are bought and sold. I don't see why the Arab world would be any different....except for the influence of religion.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
First of all, I don't believe WE are a true democracy. In this country EVERYTHING is about money. Elections are bought and sold. I don't see why the Arab world would be any different....except for the influence of religion.
And... second of all?

Second of all, they're terrorists.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
I don't see why the Arab world would be any different....except for the influence of religion.

Well, for one, we've never had a president like Hosni or Qaddafi. A president who had a 30-year-term by winning 99% of the votes every time.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
First of all, I don't believe WE are a true democracy. In this country EVERYTHING is about money. Elections are bought and sold. I don't see why the Arab world would be any different....except for the influence of religion.

our system is flawed = we should hope nobody else becomes free?