Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yeah. MLK is an excellent example. Gandhi wasn't young when he was gunned down, but still fitting. Malcolm-X was an ******* though. A racist, Afro-Centrist thug who doesn't deserve to be counted among the likes of MLK or Gandhi. He got what was coming to him.
Originally posted by King Kandy
You do know, at the end of his life he no longer believed in those views? He had an epiphany...
Yes I know that he publicly renounced his Black Militant rhetoric, but as they say; "sorry doesn't cut it". And his past obviously caught up with him in that theater in New York.
Regardless, MLK accomplished what X never could. Malcolm X--aka: Malik Shabazz--was far more detrimental to the cause for black equality, then he ever was helpful to it.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yes I know that he publicly renounced his Black Militant rhetoric, but as they say; "sorry doesn't cut it". And his past obviously caught up with him in that theater in New York.Regardless, MLK accomplished what X never could. Malcolm X--aka: Malik Shabazz--was far more detrimental to the cause for black equality, then he ever was helpful to it.
Originally posted by King Kandy
If completely renouncing his beliefs and doing everything possible to correct them doesn't cut it, i'm curious what you think he would have had to do to repent...
After he renounced his beliefs, he should have become a yesterday's-celebrity. Just retire to his house, lay low, keep quiet and avoid the public eye. That in itself would have shown sincerity, and would have been enough. Instead, he continued to hog the limelight, talking about his personal transformation and saying things along the lines of "I aint like that anymore, you really gotta trust me". It just seemed like he was over-compensating, who was he trying to convince; us...or himself.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
After he renounced his beliefs, he should have become a yesterday's-celebrity. Just retire to his house, lay low, keep quiet and avoid the public eye. That in itself would have shown sincerity, and would have been enough. Instead, he continued to hog the limelight, talking about his personal transformation and saying things along the lines of "I aint like that anymore, you really gotta trust me". It just seemed like he was over-compensating, who was he trying to convince; us...or himself.
People always paint Malcolm X as the bad guy. I would rather side with him than MLK. MLK had his supporters getting hit, and sitting in restaurants with people throwing food and drinks on them, and getting sprayed by fire hoses and attacked by police dogs. Black people were being lynched all over the south and MLK just wanted to resort the crap peacefully. Obviously the government wanted to work with MLK, they didn't really care about how Black people felt, and they cared more about how the world saw them. Would you really side with MLK, if you lived in that time? I would be behind Malcolm X, but screw that Muslim stuff. Malcolm had the northern civil rights movement down locked.
Originally posted by Darth PiggottYou're right from a certain point of view, but the thing about that, is... well. The Black panthers are a representation of Malcolm X's line of thinking. People like Obama, who show passiveness and are cerebral, represent MLK's line of thinking.
People always paint Malcolm X as the bad guy. I would rather side with him than MLK. MLK had his supporters getting hit, and sitting in restaurants with people throwing food and drinks on them, and getting sprayed by fire hoses and attacked by police dogs. Black people were being lynched all over the south and MLK just wanted to resort the crap peacefully. Obviously the government wanted to work with MLK, they didn't really care about how Black people felt, and they cared more about how the world saw them. Would you really side with MLK, if you lived in that time? I would be behind Malcolm X, but screw that Muslim stuff. Malcolm had the northern civil rights movement down locked.
There are no more black panthers. 😐
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yeah. MLK is an excellent example. Gandhi wasn't young when he was gunned down, but still fitting. Malcolm-X was an ******* though. A racist, Afro-Centrist thug who doesn't deserve to be counted among the likes of MLK or Gandhi. He got what was coming to him.
Well, I would disagree with your comments on Malcom X, but I can see why you wouldn't think he belonged in the company of the other. I don't think he was a bad guy, just ****ing tired of being heaped upon. I will always understand the blatant hatred angle someone has when they suffer the kind of indignities African American's did in this country. Even less severe examples of bigotry, like homosexuals running down a straight couple for daring to hold hands in public. But, realistically, that will accomplish little. X mellowed as he got older.
a good look at the Lybia protests, focuses on Ghadaffi and other economic issues in the nation, like the trillions of barrels of oil.
not to just spam up the thread, but this is totally relevant, etc:
Originally posted by Darth Piggott
People always paint Malcolm X as the bad guy. I would rather side with him than MLK. MLK had his supporters getting hit, and sitting in restaurants with people throwing food and drinks on them, and getting sprayed by fire hoses and attacked by police dogs. Black people were being lynched all over the south and MLK just wanted to resort the crap peacefully. Obviously the government wanted to work with MLK, they didn't really care about how Black people felt, and they cared more about how the world saw them. Would you really side with MLK, if you lived in that time? I would be behind Malcolm X, but screw that Muslim stuff. Malcolm had the northern civil rights movement down locked.
MLK's way: the ACTUAL Christian way of "turn the other cheek." That means if someone smacks you in the face, you turn to the other side to allow them to smack that cheek, too. MLK's way was more effective, in the end.
X's way ended up polarizing and inciting more hate from the haters, bring some neutrals to the hate side of things, and made the supporters cringe. Depending on the situation, of course.
MLK was also what I call a genuinely righteous man.
/fanboyism
That type of approach is not possible, I believe, in many of the countries experienceing their protests/unrest.
Well when you think of MLK, he was raised in a prominent black society. His family lived in a black sector and everyone was middle class. Malcolm X's father was killed by white people, and his mother suffered a breakdown, which caused social services to separate his family.
Malcolm X joined the nation of Islam, and greatly increased their membership. He helped the NOI achieve national prominence as the richest black organization in American History. MLK would obviously get more followers because Christianity was already established in America. Malcolm X educated himself, while MLK was educated by the system. Malcolm X changed his attitude towards segregation when he took his pilgrimage, and his name. Malcolm was assassinated because of the fact that he could have united black Muslims and Christians all over the United States. Artists like Tupac got their ideas from Malcolm, and it was Malcolm and MLK who helped black people climb higher towards equal rights. Even though at the beginning of the movement he focused more on keeping blacks away from whites, similar to countries such as the Republic of China. Malcolm's point was that blacks living among whites didn't allow prosperity. He knew that white people were keeping black people down, and it is still going on today.
I mostly posted that first post out of anger at Quiero Mota. I believe the Malcolm X approach is possible, because people in an unjust government have the right to overthrow it. Malcolm was thinking about revolution, while MLK was more for peace. If Malcolm X and MLK hadn’t been murdered, then he and MLK would have worked together and would have been an unstoppable duo. Mandela even used armed resistance before being arrested. That turn the other cheek stuff does not always work, and I don’t think today’s youth would have gone with that. Blacks are still oppressed into a system of government housing, and welfare, and I think Malcolm X would have focused more on that, since he stems from that environment. Malcolm X relates more with the gritty urban community.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Looks like Gaddafi´s been bombing some civilian areas with jets, and having folk gunned down. This could turn very bloody.
aye, he has promised to fight until the last man...
what is interesting is that he has to hire mercenaries from other African nations to fight for him, because huge parts of the army (and his own government) wont fight against the protesters and are defecting/resigning because of how violent ghaddafi is being