Originally posted by srankmissingnin
and unlike his "fights" with Batgirl he hasn't been expressly stated to be holding back when he fights Dick.
The only time he was said to be holding back was the time she was holding a sword to his face and had Ravager as backup.
First fight he didn't even know who she was and she was beating on him until he pulled a grenade, and third fight he specifically said it was pretty much impossible to hit her without getting inside her head.
Originally posted by Q99
The only time he was said to be holding back was the time she was holding a sword to his face and had Ravager as backup.First fight he didn't even know who she was and she was beating on him until he pulled a grenade, and third fight he specifically said it was pretty much impossible to hit her without getting inside her head.
The first "fight" he had no interest in fighting her, he just wanted the disc and had a huge smirk on his face the hole time. It's pretty obvious he wasn't going all out.
He also said he couldn't beat Ravager without getting into her head... and he has effortlessly tooled her in melee exchanges... not to mention it was the same arc where Slade was stalemated by David Cain.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The first "fight" he had no interest in fighting her, he just wanted the disc and had a huge smirk on his face the hole time. It's pretty obvious he wasn't going all out.
Not the case, he had a serious look on his face right until the end, he only cracks a smile when he decides to pull the grenade.
He also said he couldn't beat Ravager without getting into her head... and he has effortlessly tooled her in melee exchanges... not to mention it was the same arc where Slade was stalemated by David Cain.
Nope and nope. He said he was tired of slapping Ravager down when she got into his business that issue, and I don't think Slade and David Cain ever fought, but definitely not in that arc.
You're mixing things up again.
Originally posted by Q99
Not the case, he had a serious look on his face right until the end, he only cracks a smile when he decides to pull the grenade.Nope and nope. He said he was tired of slapping Ravager down when she got into his business that issue, and I don't think Slade and David Cain ever fought, but definitely not in that arc.
You're mixing things up again.
He was smirking the whole time.
He said "You're like my daughter. The only way to beat you is by messing with your head." Who is Slade's daughter? *gasp* Ravager! *gasp* If the statement isn't true in regards to Ravager, then it isn't true in regards to Batgirl either.
Actually yes it is in the six issue Batgirl mini from 2008, issue 2. Flashback of Slade and David Cain stalemating. Read more comics.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Cass would school most street levelers.
Like who? Cass can barely beat Shiva (and those fights have plot elements that lean heavily in her favor) and she was stalemated by Nightwing even before his Batman skill boost. Who can she school? Robin? Sure... but that's a long list.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
You read into that fight. Cass had the upperhand and his "skill boost" is hard to judge. he's still behind Batman (as stated by Morrison) and Shiva would also school most street levelers as well.
Where did Morrison state Bruce was more skilled? Because either Dini or Tomasi said that Dick was as skilled as Bruce in a CBR interview shortly after Battle for the Cowl.
How did she have the upper hand? No one was in a dominate position when Alfred showed up...
Who? She has never demonstrated the ability to "own" any street level of note.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Batman usually gets the upperhand in pretty much everything. It's weird, because even he said Shiva was more skilled than him.
He said she might be more skilled the he was. Neither Shiva or Cass have demonstarted the ability to take the majority from Batman. If either of them is more skilled the edge is so slight that it doesn't close the physical gap in the their attributes. Batman would take the magority from either Shiva or Cass in h2h.