Current Hulk vs Orion (H2H only)

Originally posted by carver9
Huh?

Let me use what you just did as a debating style.

Savage Hulk has hung with Thor, someone who shrugs off blast from Celestials and Odin so since Current Hulk is>>the Savage Hulk that hung with celestial tanking, Odin tanking Thor, Hulk wins the majority.

Does this sound like a good way to debate? 😕

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First of all Thor doesn't shrug off attacks from those people. Second of all, colliding planets is a blunt force durability feat which is related to the kind of durability you need in a brawl.

Thirdly the version of Thor that battles Hulk didn't perform those feats. Superman on the other hand shrugged off colliding mega planets in the same arc he brawled Orion, so... there's a clear difference in relevance.

Fourthly, (and finally) Orion brawling with DS and Supes is common for him just as brawling Thor is common for Savage Hulk, but we're talking about WWH level Hulk who hasn't brawled Thor so why even bring him up? Which goes back to my point about relevance.

Dude I rarely ever connect points without considering the counter argument, just for future reference, in case you think I'm just making random connections. 😉

I think Orion wins, but his HF is not even close to The Hulk's.. where is this nonsense coming from.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I think Orion wins, but his HF is not even close to The Hulk's.. where is this nonsense coming from.

Orion isn't Hulk. If he has to rely on his HF he's losing the fight. His durability is such that he doesn't need his HF and has decent damage soak when he does get busted up.

Originally posted by Allankles
Orion isn't Hulk. If he has to rely on his HF he's losing the fight. His durability is such that he doesn't need his HF and has decent damage soak when he does get busted up.

Allan is actually right there... People think they are same thing.. but they are in fact two distinct variables that can be mutually exclusive of one another. Orion durability is near Hulk's.. his healing factor (as some have claimed) isn't.

I was talking about Orion Blackboltz. And Wolvie's durability isn't due to his HF but his skeleton, his HF is part of his damage resistance not his durability per se. Durability refers to damage you can prevent, if your flesh gets carved open and then heals quickly that's damage resistance, not durability. His flesh isn't very durable.

Orion's durability is so far beyond Hulk's that its comical.

It is. Orion doesn't need to rely on his HF like Hulk, if he does he's losing a battle as he's sustained enough damage that both his durability and damage soak (which refers to how much he can take while injured) are overloaded.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Thats like saying Wolverine has no durability. His HF IS his durability.

Wolverine has no durability. His HF is not the same as durability.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Wolverine has no durability. His HF is not the same as durability.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
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Originally posted by Black bolt z
Thats like saying Wolverine has no durability. His HF IS his durability.

Who's claiming orion's hf is equal to hulk's? i am. have you ever seen his healing when it's not being held back by his mother box? thought not. his healing is basically hulk level or at least wolvie level when held back to 30%. He's went from bones to healed in minutes while depowered. Hulk not only isn't stronger, he's not fast enough to land a single punch. this fight is like hulk vs superman h2h if sups was slightly stronger and billion times better fighter. what a wash

WTF

ha.

Might have to change my opinion, as Hulk is skyfather at least according to some people!

Originally posted by long pig
oh, and how can you say hulk is more durable? I've seen orion take a 'universe destroying blast' without serious energy. He also jumped on top of a new god tech bomb that could destroy an entire dimension and he survived. and as for speed feats, leo you have seen them yourself in his series i gave you. he can and has speed blitzed. he ran fast enough to do a sonic boom(i admit i can't remember if he used his doohickey). He caught SUPER SONIC bullets WHILE BLIND. He can blitz and absolutely overwhelm hulk with his immense base strength superiority and his trillion x martial art skill, intelligence and tactical superiority. And yes. orion without motherbox gets stronger. The MB controls the flow of astro force to his body. without it, he's skyfather level. He's equal if not superior to darkseid. which, btw he's beaten. The best way to explain it is orion with mb is like silver surfer after galactus depowerd him, orion without mb is like surfer when he worked for galactus. basically limitless power.

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you're right--orion has a speed advantage, however, as i already mentioned--he almost NEVER uses that speed, nor do i see him using it here. running to create sonic booms is NOT something he does often enough to allow here i'm afraid.

without MB he won't be using skill, but i disagree that he gets stronger. feel free to show me that he does though and i'll happily concede the point. i also disagree--strongly--that he has a strength advantage at all, let alone an immense one. this is wwh level strength. again, THIS hulk has only EVER been ko'd by a skyfather. and yet we are now to say that orion can do it? no way orion w/o MB is skyfather. i luv ya LP, but that is just crazy talk. it would be bloody, and long, but STARTING from wwh and increasing from there gives hulk far too big an advantage imo for orion to overcome.

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Originally posted by leonidas
LP!! the forum is once again complete.....

you're right--orion has a speed advantage, however, as i already mentioned--he almost NEVER uses that speed, nor do i see him using it here. running to create sonic booms is NOT something he does often enough to allow here i'm afraid.

without MB he won't be using skill, but i disagree that he gets stronger. feel free to show me that he does though and i'll happily concede the point. i also disagree--strongly--that he has a strength advantage at all, let alone an immense one. this is wwh level strength. again, THIS hulk has only EVER been ko'd by a skyfather. and yet we are now to say that orion can do it? no way orion w/o MB is skyfather. i luv ya LP, but that is just crazy talk. it would be bloody, and long, but STARTING from wwh and increasing from there gives hulk far too big an advantage imo for orion to overcome.

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