Dr. Doom versus Ultron

Jesus, Magneto, who isn't lacking in the ego department, just recently conceded that Dr. Doom is the most powerful person on the planet. Considering his intellect, resources, and magical prowess, I don't think it's an exaggeration; your mileage may vary once you consider people like Hulk, Thor, etc. Strange recently said that Doom likely knows magic he hasn't even considered learning. Rogers has said he's without a doubt the most dangerous man on the planet.

Regardless, Doom can and probably will win this all things considered.

Doom is most definitely not the most powerful person on the planet. If you take into account some of the more higher end entities, it's not even close. If you consider all of his resources, with prep time included, you could make a case with high heralds being the highest level of competetion.

That shit was just some cock strocking thrown in. Writers do that sometimes.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I know very well what Doom is capable of. I was not aware that he was in possesstion of the bands of Cyttorak(those are the ones that constrict you right)? If this is primary adamatium Ultron then those aren't going to work. All depends what version.

Anyway, Doom uses the bands, summons some mindless ones, farts in Ultron's face, then throws him into limbo.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Jesus, Magneto, who isn't lacking in the ego department, just recently conceded that Dr. Doom is the most powerful person on the planet. Considering his intellect, resources, and magical prowess, I don't think it's an exaggeration; your mileage may vary once you consider people like Hulk, Thor, etc. Strange recently said that Doom likely knows magic he hasn't even considered learning. Rogers has said he's without a doubt the most dangerous man on the planet.

Regardless, Doom can and probably will win this all things considered.

Originally posted by Mindset
...what?

Anyway, Doom uses the bands, summons some mindless ones, farts in Ultron's face, then throws him into limbo.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Doom is most definitely not the most powerful person on the planet. If you consider some of the more higher end entities, it's not even close. Maybe if you consider all of his resources, with prep time included you could make a case.

That shit was just some cock strocking thrown in. Writers do that sometimes.

In the literal sense? No, I don't think Doom is the most poweful person. All things considered with resources, intellect, that which makes Doom Doom, however, it's not as far fetched as it might seem.

Sure, but only if you draw the line at high herald or so. Any higher, and the omnipotent beings that exist on Earth means he has no chance of winning.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Are you sure he didn't say most dangerous? Because he certainly isn't the most powerful? WHat do you mean what? Debate for a change dude.

Calm down, sport, you're getting ahead of yourself.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I know very well what Doom is capable of. I was not aware that he was in possesstion of the bands of Cyttorak(those are the ones that constrict you right)? If this is primary adamatium Ultron then those aren't going to work. All depends what version.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sure, but only if you draw the line at high herald or so. Any higher, and the omnipotent beings that exist on Earth means he has no chance of winning.

Generally when people say "most powerful such and such on the planet" I assume they mean among the conventional heroes/villains, ie. Herald level. Hulk's been called that as has Thor and in DC, Superman and Alan Scott have been called that as well, which ignores the various entities and such which do exist on Earth.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Generally when people say "most powerful such and such on the planet" I assume they mean among the conventional heroes/villains, ie. Herald level. Hulk's been called that as has Thor and in DC, Superman and Alan Scott have been called that as well, which ignores the various entities and such which do exist on Earth.

We're agreed I guess.

You'd have to take into account his resources and such even if you only limit it at high herald to make a case for him being at the very top.

Currently the most powerful beings on Earth are:

Thor
Silver Surfer
Hulk

Doom can make it into the Top five definitely.

SS is on Earth again?

he had to put someone between thor an hulk

I don't want any stray lightning hitting Hulk. Poor guy.

Again, I know that Doom has the bands of Cyttorrak, but still, he's only passing through Ultron with magic bfr. 15 seconds is pretty much just the time to shield up, Ultron can, at the very least, control a few robots and bring them to the battlefield, distracting Doom and minimizing his chances of winning.

Doom autowins is the most rehearsed argument when he appears, in this battle his armor may as well get hacked, he may as well get ionic explosion bashed for all his worth, Ultron can hurt and ko Thor and has done so on occasion. Physically and magically prepped Doom couldn't beat Thor -although he was interrupted before the Destroyer Armor was finished, but still-.

Bottomline, Doom needs to bring very good moves to bring Ultron down, I'm not even sure he can summon the Mindless ones since he prepped in the past wtih Morgana to send them against the Avengers. Bands are fine, but Namor broke incomplete bands, Ultron should be able to do so.

If you got magic-bfr that may actually work against Ultron, then Doom can wins. Otherwise this is gonna be a painful combat for him.

IIRC, Thor knocked himself out by hitting Ultron too hard or something else in his first appearance. I'm not 100% sure but I remember it being iffy or some such because of the art. That's the only time Thor went down against Ultron I believe.

Ultron destroys Doom in a straight battle though.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
IIRC, Thor knocked himself out by hitting Ultron too hard or something else in his first appearance. I'm not 100% sure but I remember it being iffy or some such because of the art. That's the only time Thor went down against Ultron I believe.

Ultron destroys Doom in a straight battle though.

Yep, they stated something to that effect. On panel narration also implies so the time they fight in Ultron Unlimited.

Doom bfrs ultron like he bfred Morgana

I'm not sure how much difference the 15 sec prep is going to make for Doom, I guess he could prepare some more powerful spells in that time. But I think in both scenarios the first thing he has to do is raise his shield because he isn't going to want to take Ultron on directly. His shield will definitely take some punishment from Ultron - and I think give him a chance to go on the offensive.

There are a few tactics Doom could try:

1) BFR via magic is a distinct possibility and Doom is capable of it. I don't think Ultron is coming back from say the Dark Dimension in a hurry. It's possible Doom knows of places where there are magical entities lurking with the power (and the outright hostility) to destroy Ultron.

2) Crimson bands. There is some argument that the bands have been broken when not fully formed - but we've also seen this can depend on the skill and concentration of the caster. I don't believe any high class strength character can simply break them while forming every time otherwise what would be the point of them? - they are designed specifically for holding ultra strong beings. They were quite capable of holding an angry Hulk and they could hold Ultron if cast properly.

3) Other powerful magic - as Strange and others have pointed out, we don't really know the extent of Doom's magic. It's within possibility that he has something which could affect or alter adamantium, which is vulnerable even to science-based molecular manipulation.

4) I wouldn't rule out a tech victory for Doom either - he is extremely intelligent and his tech is up there with Ultron's.

Still, Doom is not going to be able to smash down Ultron with any physical or energy blast attacks etc and he is going to have to pull out all stops to survive here. But I think he can take close to a split in wins.

Ultron wins a physical brawl.

Doom wins all else. High-end science and high-end magic give him a considerable edge.

15 sec is enough time to time travel for Doom to come back with the IG or UN.