Originally posted by The Nuul
15 sec is enough time to time travel for Doom to come back with the IG or UN.
Doom doesn't like to mess with time-travel even if we assume he'd be inclined to do such thing.
Time-bfr like he used against Morgana would be fine, I don't recall the scene correctly, but it seemed as if Doom was preparing that spell explicitly to face her. I can be wrong though.
Originally posted by BentleyDoom summoning Doombots would be more likely.
Again, I know that Doom has the bands of Cyttorrak, but still, he's only passing through Ultron with magic bfr. 15 seconds is pretty much just the time to shield up, Ultron can, at the very least, control a few robots and bring them to the battlefield, distracting Doom and minimizing his chances of winning.
Originally posted by BentleyDoom hacking Ultron is more likely. As he's actually had experience doing it to prior Utron incarnations twice on-panel. And like you said, Doom wasn't finished prepping and had Balder running around screwing around with his stuff.
Doom autowins is the most rehearsed argument when he appears, in this battle his armor may as well get hacked, he may as well get ionic explosion bashed for all his worth, Ultron can hurt and ko Thor and has done so on occasion. Physically and magically prepped Doom couldn't beat Thor -although he was interrupted before the Destroyer Armor was finished, but still-.
Originally posted by BentleyDoom learned how to summon the Mindless Ones from Morgana le Fay (which he's done before with an amp). Nothing suggested that Morgana lent her power to Doom to do so. And Doom isn't going to be in astral form receiving a psychic backlash to permit Ultron to stress and break incomplete Crimson Bands of Cytorrak.
Bottomline, Doom needs to bring very good moves to bring Ultron down, I'm not even sure he can summon the Mindless ones since he prepped in the past wtih Morgana to send them against the Avengers. Bands are fine, but Namor broke incomplete bands, Ultron should be able to do so.If you got magic-bfr that may actually work against Ultron, then Doom can wins. Otherwise this is gonna be a painful combat for him.
Doom's fought toe-to-toe with some of the strongest characters on Marvel Earth. Ultron's relentless and a physical beast, but it's not a quick auto-win anymore than Doom w/prep is a quick auto-win.
Arguably Doom didn't hack former Ultron, he just "fixed" broken Ultron. Hank had his hands on Ultron's former bodies and he still had to use physical infiltration and an old programing language to stop him by using a virus. Again, we can agree Criti-Knoll is no Doom, but since Ultron improves itself quite totally each time, using Doom's experienced to hack Ultron isn't necesarily something feasible without prep.
Regarding summoning the Mindless ones, I agree that Doom did it under his own power, however, I'm torn in whether he used prep or not to summon them, considering that he came from the past after spending an undisclosed amount of time learning and -possibly- prepping the spell before going back to his castle. Admittedly it could be just a spell he can throw at random given that Doom's magical ability has been displayed to much more depth recently.
I agree with the rest of your statements.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Ultron is much more then just science considering its 15 seconds prep.
I don't understand this argument at all. Ultron is the result of science alone. What the heck else Did pym do To create Ultron if not use science. Has Ultron suddenly learned magic that I'm unaware of?!
Originally posted by rotiartWhen I said that I mean that Ultron could beat doom without prep. Just because he doesn't know magic doesn't mean he loses.
I don't understand this argument at all. Ultron is the result of science alone. What the heck else Did pym do To create Ultron if not use science. Has Ultron suddenly learned magic that I'm unaware of?!
Originally posted by Black bolt z
When I said that I mean that Ultron could beat doom without prep. Just because he doesn't know magic doesn't mean he loses.
I see. Well I guess.
15 seconds is very little time indeed. I can't see it making much of a difference compared to no prep.
In the end though if doom cast a simple spell to bfr Ultron... Or throw the bands of cytorrak on him... That should give him enough time to bfr Ultron...
Otherwise the only real way to put down Ultron without magic or reality altering is having vibranium Which I can't see doom having access to in either case...
Originally posted by rotiartCan't Ultron's interior circuitry still be damaged?
I see. Well I guess.15 seconds is very little time indeed. I can't see it making much of a difference compared to no prep.
In the end though if doom cast a simple spell to bfr Ultron... Or throw the bands of cytorrak on him... That should give him enough time to bfr Ultron...
Otherwise the only real way to put down Ultron without magic or reality altering is having vibranium Which I can't see doom having access to in either case...
Originally posted by MindsetNo.
Can't Ultron's interior circuitry still be damaged?
He has internal shielding.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Enteithegreat/Ultron/Fights/U13vsVision3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Enteithegreat/Ultron/Fights/U16vsAvengers8.jpg
Now whether magic can hurt his insides or not through the shields I have no idea but I would guess it could if Doom tried. Speculation though.
