Cheetahs (All Versions) vs Thor

Originally posted by SquallX
And you think Thor operates on those level. And you act like Superman doesn't hold back, like he fights at his maximum all the time.

Thor was getting push back in that fight, just like Superman gets push back in fights when major PIS is involved.

Superfags, that the best you got. Named calling also proves you're failing in you're debate.

What levels? Light speed. Sure, why not. Not anywhere near average though. K.

What does that even mean? Thor never lost ground as I recall. You said he was actively on the run. Just untrue.

Why are you confusing low speed showings with being pushed back? Is English your second language or something?

Not really. I can get a lot more descriptive or mean, but I don't want you to cry. Haha what? How exactly?

Superman not being as fast as his fan club pretends hardly matters in this thread or to me. This is just a side debate I find amusing.

Go back to comicvine or wherever.

In case if anyone is curious here is the full fight between the male Cheetah and Superman

1. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/wonderwoman_174_12.jpg
2. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/wonderwoman_174_13.jpg
3. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/wonderwoman_174_14.jpg
4. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/wonderwoman_174_20.jpg

if thor takes to the air they're screwed. in a book they would double-team for the win probably. if he stays on the ground they would beat him eventually.

Team Cheetah for a hefty majority, assuming Babs is at zoom upgrade levels.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Then Thor wins pretty convincingly.

The male Cheetah is a powerful brick IIRC, and the female one is lower on the food chain but has speed. It would be an issue but that's it really. His command over the weather (In particular lightning) and his strength is sufficient.

It's the same power with basically the same capabilities, just in different people, and Minerva having figured out how to tap more speed out of it.

Originally posted by leonidas
if thor takes to the air they're screwed. in a book they would double-team for the win probably. if he stays on the ground they would beat him eventually.

The Cheetahs have in the past proven pretty good at grounding fliers. The tail's prehensile, so one of the tactics they use is leap past them with a high-speed superleap, then grab with a tail, slam them down, and don't let up.

Thor, even with flight, will have to be cautious.

And finally, let's not forget, there's not just two Cheetahs, but four! The deadly Barbara Minerva and Sebastian Ballestros, then there's Priscilla Rich and Deborah Domaine!

Who have cheetah leotards and trained cats! And I think Deborah has some level of super-strength and agility (but no Cheetah spirit).

Thor's good and all, but I'm not sure if even he can stand up to Priscilla Rich.

Originally posted by -K-M-
In case if anyone is curious here is the full fight between the male Cheetah and Superman

1. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/wonderwoman_174_12.jpg
2. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/wonderwoman_174_13.jpg
3. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/wonderwoman_174_14.jpg
4. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/wonderwoman_174_20.jpg

I can't picture Thor getting treated like this... especially choked out.

I'm shocked

Originally posted by -K-M-
I'm shocked

Stop being sarcastic.
😠

Originally posted by carver9
Stop being sarcastic.

Stop making it so easy 🙂

Originally posted by Q99
It's the same power with basically the same capabilities, just in different people, and Minerva having figured out how to tap more speed out of it.

The male Cheetah is superior to the female one physically from what I've seen. Don't know why.

Originally posted by Q99
The Cheetahs have in the past proven pretty good at grounding fliers. The tail's prehensile, so one of the tactics they use is leap past them with a high-speed superleap, then grab with a tail, slam them down, and don't let up.

Thor, even with flight, will have to be cautious.

1. Thor's not a pussy like Diana or Clark.
2. Thor's fighting smartly (A first in a Carver thread!) and is informed about their capabilities.

Lightning alone and his ability to project it and other forms of energy omni-directionally would mean they wouldn't want to be laying hands on Thor.

I honestly don't see why Thor whips up a storm that ends it. It would take seconds to summon and it would require no effort.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Thor's not a pussy like Diana or Clark.

I'd wager Diana is the most brutal when push comes to shove, discounting WM Thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

1. Thor's not a pussy like Diana or Clark.
2. Thor's fighting smartly (A first in a Carver thread!) and is informed about their capabilities.

1. Superman is not a pussy 😬

2. I made this thread, not Carver! 😠

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The male Cheetah is superior to the female one physically from what I've seen. Don't know why.

Barbara hasn't had a chance to fight Superman. She *has* had a chance to fight and beat Diana on occasion.

Barbara and Sebastian even fought each other once.

So? That thing seemed to have Superman level physical strength. That's superior to even being able to beat up Diana (And Cheetah does it with speed more than power from what I've read. At least in modern continuity) in my book.

How did that go? If the female Cheetah was the equal of the male Cheetah, then either she under performs or it's just a high end extreme showing.

Originally posted by Konton
I'd wager Diana is the most brutal when push comes to shove, discounting WM Thor.

Really? I'd wager they were about equal. Heck, I'd give it to Thor if his pissed off. Post Silver Age. Diana seems to hold life in higher regard than Thor. He has no compunctions about killing unless it's mortals or someone really close to him (But that goes for every body). Thor views humans kind of like children from what I can tell. They can't be held fully accountable for their actions because they simply aren't, for lack of a better word, mature enough. Willing to kill them, but his more hesistant. Less so if their super powered.

I'm talking about in a killing perspective by the way. Thor hates killing unless necessary. His just willing to cross the line if necessary or there's no other choice. His been killing for millenia.

Originally posted by Starscream M
1. Superman is not a pussy 😬

2. I made this thread, not Carver! 😠

Untrue. I meant you not Carver.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So? That thing seemed to have Superman level physical strength. That's superior to even being able to beat up Diana (And Cheetah does it with speed more than power from what I've read. At least in modern continuity) in my book.

Eh, here's Minerva one-shotting Firestorm, no speed, just claws and strength.

It might be possible that it's a he's stronger/she's faster situation (that is, even pre-Zoom boost), but their overall level between the two is definitely comparable. Cheetah has always been fairly near Diana's level whatever that is.

The reason something like what happened to Clark doesn't happen more often is because Diana's better at reacting to ambushes and avoiding getting in as bad a position as Superman got into. If it wasn't such a good ambush, then Clark could've definitely handled him.

How did that go? If the female Cheetah was the equal of the male Cheetah, then either she under performs or it's just a high end extreme showing.

Pretty evenly.

Originally posted by Q99
Eh, here's Minerva one-shotting Firestorm, no speed, just claws and strength.

From what I remember of that JLA run, Firestorm wasn't anything to speak of durability wise. IIRC, he had another low showing similar to that one (If you consider the scan you posted a low one of course). It's been a while since I read his series (Good run by the way) so I can't comment on all of his capabilities and on whether or not it's an all powerful but human type deal.

Originally posted by Q99
It might be possible that it's a he's stronger/she's faster situation (that is, even pre-Zoom boost), but their overall level between the two is definitely comparable. Cheetah has always been fairly near Diana's level whatever that is.

I'm pretty certain I've seen Cheetah exhibit far less than Superman level strength on more then a few occasions. Frankly, I haven't seen her exhibit Superman level strength ever. From what I remember of her Wonder Woman fights, they are more about speed than strength. At least the ones from the last decade (I don't remember much past that). Cheetah seems to operate on hit and run tactics against Diana. Not actively engaging her in strength. Can she hurt Wonder Woman? No doubt. But I'd be hesitant to put her on Diana's level of strength unless we use the high end showings, extremes or some such.

Originally posted by Q99
The reason something like what happened to Clark doesn't happen more often is because Diana's better at reacting to ambushes and avoiding getting in as bad a position as Superman got into. If it wasn't such a good ambush, then Clark could've definitely handled him.

Superman is plenty good at avoiding attacks. He just went down like a bitch, not even really struggling as the tail strangled him. He simply got out performed.

Originally posted by Q99
Pretty evenly.

Under-performing or more likely a high extreme for either her or the male version.

Originally posted by Q99
It's the same power with basically the same capabilities, just in different people, and Minerva having figured out how to tap more speed out of it.

The Cheetahs have in the past proven pretty good at grounding fliers. The tail's prehensile, so one of the tactics they use is leap past them with a high-speed superleap, then grab with a tail, slam them down, and don't let up.

Thor, even with flight, will have to be cautious.

And finally, let's not forget, there's not just two Cheetahs, but four! The deadly Barbara Minerva and Sebastian Ballestros, then there's Priscilla Rich and Deborah Domaine!

Who have cheetah leotards and trained cats! And I think Deborah has some level of super-strength and agility (but no Cheetah spirit).

Thor's good and all, but I'm not sure if even he can stand up to Priscilla Rich.

if he doesn't want to get touched he won't. pretty simple. from the air where they can't reach he kills them 10/10 without trouble via simple weather. hurricane, vortex to suffoctae, straight lightning. since he's allowed to fight smart, he wins everytime. ground him and its a different story.

I don't see why Thor would lose while grounded. They are bricks -granted, extremely fast ones- going up against a guy who can generate energy/lightning in an omnidirectional fashion, as well as ridiculously powerful storms. Then there's the more exotic shit like force fields and such. I don't think they can take him out before he can do something.

It's fun using a Thor who fights smartly. 🙂

Where's this smart Thor coming from? It wasn't in the stipulation so CIS still applies.

Does that mean we include Minerva when she was amped by the goddess of vengenance (she even was given wings)

yeah man, thor's CIS is the deciding factor.

odds are he takes this furry lightly to his misfortune