my view of heaven!

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
😆 tacdavey... you're something 😆

Yeah, I know. 😎

Originally posted by Mindship
It's not just that God created both; both are of God, the ground of all being/nonbeing. There is nothing outside of 'Him'.

I suspect, even with God not in the picture, that quantum nonlocality would state we are 'connected' to chickens more closely than is realized. And if nothing else, go far back enough, and humans and chickens share a common genetic/evolutionary heritage.

Some connections are more obvious/immediate than others.

Ah, I see. Then I guess I'm confused as to your point. Adarksidejedi said the brain is separate from the mind, which you responded to with "but they are both of God, so how can they be disconnected?" Yet a chicken is also made of God, but does not affect me in any way. When I die, I'm not going to take any chickens with me, so why can the same thing not be said of the brain and mind? Why can't those be two separate things that separate at death?

Originally posted by TacDavey
Ah, I see. Then I guess I'm confused as to your point. Adarksidejedi said the brain is separate from the mind, which you responded to with "but they are both of God, so how can they be disconnected?" Yet a chicken is also made of God, but does not affect me in any way. When I die, I'm not going to take any chickens with me, so why can the same thing not be said of the brain and mind? Why can't those be two separate things that separate at death?

BTW, I had mentioned it earlier, but perhaps not robustly enough. Seems to me a lot of what you're talking about has to do with the phenomenon of 'emergence' ('holons' are a closely related matter). If you're not familiar with it, you might find it interesting with regard to your point. It does not necessarily prove God's existence, per se, but it is, currently (afaik), a conundrum for empirical science.

Originally posted by Mindship
From a human perspective, death does bring a 'separation'. But to say, "So this has nothing to do with your Brains" ... I disagree, especially since decisions we make in life -- which do involve gray matter -- supposedly determine our post-life fate.

BTW, I had mentioned it earlier, but perhaps not robustly enough. Seems to me a lot of what you're talking about has to do with the phenomenon of 'emergence' ('holons' are a closely related matter). If you're not familiar with it, you might find it interesting with regard to your point. It does not necessarily prove God's existence, per se, but it is, currently (afaik), a conundrum for empirical science.

Oh, I don't think that our brains are completely unimportant. But I do see them as separate things.

I have never heard of the "phenomenon of emergence," I don't think. Do you have any place I can read about it?

Your heaven sounds silly and awesome.

Originally posted by TacDavey
I have never heard of the "phenomenon of emergence," I don't think. Do you have any place I can read about it?

Wikipedia I tend to take with a grain of salt, but generally, it seems to do a good job as a kind of primer to a topic.

http://www.lehigh.edu/~mhb0/emergence.html

If you want to impress friends and family.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Your heaven sounds silly and awesome.

Don't you just love that we're all connected. I do. 😎

Now start treating me/you better!

Originally posted by Mindship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence

Wikipedia I tend to take with a grain of salt, but generally, it seems to do a good job as a kind of primer to a topic.

http://www.lehigh.edu/~mhb0/emergence.html

If you want to impress friends and family.

Thanks. 😄

Originally posted by LeonardEdgar
People always say that your mind is extremly powerful...more powerful than what we can imagine. So if it was so powerful and if this power cannot be tapped into in life....can it in death? What I am saying is maybe when we die our mind works overtime and our imagination helps guide us through death. So if you think or believe your going to hell in life than your mind might simulate what hell would be in death. Vice versa for heaven.

I believe that we do choose our final destition.