Thor vs Hulk (see description)

Originally posted by Mindset
I wish I could believe you, I really do. 🙁

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/Thorvseverybody7.jpg?t=1298872106

It was an Odinpowered Thor. At least according to the writer Dan Jurgens

"RC: Take the recent Thor fight against Hulk, Wolverine, Thing and other Marvel characters-wherein Thor absolutely dominates his competition. People want to know . . . how the hell did Thor pull that off? Did he have the Odin-power at the time?

DAN JURGENS: It was still an Odin-powered Thor. It had to be."

Im not allowed to post links to the interview but its at Alvaro's
comicboards.com/jurgens-rc.php

Apparently the amulet was not entirely successful.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Round 1: Thor(classic) vs Professor hulk (strictly hand to hand)

Merged Hulk takes this.

Round 2: Masterson Thor vs Gray Hulk

Pass

Round 3: Thor (bloodlusted) vs Savage Hulk

If Bloodlusted means he is more likely to punch it out then the battle swings to Hulks advantage, otherwise the edge is Thors.

Round 4: Thor (current) vs Hulk (current)

More or less 50/50 split.

Round 5: King Thor (without mjolnir) vs WWH

If its King Thor from The Reigning then Thor, if its King Thor from after the relaunch then WWH pretty decisively.

No BFR

Hulk main powers are

Superhuman strength, durability and regenerative healing factor

Thor also has these 3 powers but in addition has MANY more

This is the reason that overall Thor is more powerful than Hulk in the Marvel Hierarchy

In reality Thor does not need god blasts or hammer blows or anything like this. He can simply use telekinesis and raise Hulk in the air, then do what he pleases.

If for some reason Hulk and Thor are fighting hand 2 hand so only their powers of strength, durability and healing are taken into account, then in my opinion there is no reason Hulk cannot beat Thor.

Hulk's powers increase with anger, stress etc but Thor's powers do not increase the same way. Thor has a certain level and can also increase strength by tenfold.

So the question is what is the limit to Hulk's power increase. If there is truly no limit then eventually Hulk would kill Thor.

Different writers do all different stories throughout marvel universe full of inconsistency.

There is no reason why Hulk cannot be the physically strongest in Marvel Universe, as this would not make him the most powerful overall at all.
Nevermind Gods, there are a whole host of characters who could beat Hulk despite his strength. Anyone with reality warping, telekinesis, magic, energy manipulation etc etc

Originally posted by Damborgson
Round 1: Thor(classic) vs Professor hulk (strictly hand to hand)

Round 2: Masterson Thor vs Gray Hulk

Round 3: Thor (bloodlusted) vs Savage Hulk

Round 4: Thor (current) vs Hulk (current)

Round 5: King Thor (without mjolnir) vs WWH

No BFR

1. Thor
2.Split.
3. Thor
4. Thor
5. King Thor in a stomp

Originally posted by Fifthchild
It was an Odinpowered Thor. At least according to the writer Dan Jurgens

"RC: Take the recent Thor fight against Hulk, Wolverine, Thing and other Marvel characters-wherein Thor absolutely dominates his competition. People want to know . . . how the hell did Thor pull that off? Did he have the Odin-power at the time?

DAN JURGENS: It was still an Odin-powered Thor. It had to be."

Im not allowed to post links to the interview but its at Alvaro's
comicboards.com/jurgens-rc.php

Apparently the amulet was not entirely successful.

Oh maybe, now bear with me people, Dan Jurgens was talking about Thor's possession of the Odin Power overall.

Notice RC mentioning Wolverine and all the other Marvel heroes. Wishful thinking about the amulet not working completely imo. It seemed pretty concrete to me:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/KillsWolverine.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsHulkandThing1.jpg

Considering it was created by the head Skyfathers of the other Pantheons, it failing becomes even less likely.

Originally posted by Fifthchild
If its King Thor from The Reigning then Thor, if its King Thor from after the relaunch then WWH pretty decisively.

I call bull.

Not really seeing why so many are giving it to Thor h2h over the Merged Hulk *shrug*

He handled Red Norvell with hammer quite nicely. Even caught it in his palm Superman/Rulk/Nefaria style.

It depends on whether he has the rage limitation or not. Without it, definitely Thor. With it? Depends. Stalemate more often than not though.

So? Norvell was portrayed as on par with that Hulk physically as I recall. I at the very least don't remember either one being portrayed as above the other. Palming Mjolnir at this point is overrated. Not even impressed by it anymore. An amped Ulik recently did it, beat Thor down, only to get his ass kicked when Thor was pushed.

It's being used as a wow factor more and more. Getting annoying actually.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh maybe, now bear with me people, Dan Jurgens was talking about Thor's possession of the Odin Power overall.

Notice RC mentioning Wolverine and all the other Marvel heroes. Wishful thinking about the amulet not working completely imo. It seemed pretty concrete to me:

Considering it was created by the head Skyfathers of the other Pantheons, it failing becomes even less likely.

I call bull.

I think its pretty clear what he was talking about. I hardly think Jurgens or RC meant that Thor needed the Odinpower to defeat Wolverine. Interpreted otherwise i.e. "Did Odinpowered Thor still have the Odinpower?" the question doesnt really make sense.
And Jurgens answer "It was still an Odin-powered Thor." only really makes sense if its referring to that scene where he supposedly lost the power.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It depends on whether he has the rage limitation or not. Without it, definitely Thor. With it? Depends. Stalemate more often than not though.

I would say more without it stalemate and with it definitely Hulk but i guess we arent going to change each others minds. Merged was definitely Class 100 at base.

So? Norvell was portrayed as on par with that Hulk physically as I recall. I at the very least don't remember either one being portrayed as above the other.

I dont think they particularly wrassled at any stage. My main recollection was that Merged seemed pretty comfortable tussling with the hammer in play.

Palming Mjolnir at this point is overrated. Not even impressed by it anymore. An amped Ulik recently did it, beat Thor down, only to get his ass kicked when Thor was pushed.

It's being used as a wow factor more and more. Getting annoying actually.

Originally posted by Mindset
That's KT.

So this was a classic level Thor with 1 arm and eye putting the hurt on the thing and hulk

Originally posted by Fifthchild
I think its pretty clear what he was talking about. I hardly think Jurgens or RC meant that Thor needed the Odinpower to defeat Wolverine. Interpreted otherwise i.e. "Did Odinpowered Thor still have the Odinpower?" the question doesnt really make sense.
And Jurgens answer "It was [B]still an Odin-powered Thor." only really makes sense if its referring to that scene where he supposedly lost the power. [/B]

The beauty of interpretations.

In all honesty? I think this is most likely Jurgens covering his ass in case of fanboy backlash. In the comic book context, my argument is what I posted. If there was any sort of ambiguity in the scene or something to support the stance, you'd have an argument but there wasn't.

Thor having the Odin Power makes zero sense. The moment the amulet came on, there went the energy projection. The moment it came off, the Odin Force was depicted as returned through it's utilization.

It was clear cut. It doesn't even make any sense in the context of how Jurgens portrayed King Thor. If he had the Odin Force, you'd have to be a madman to think the fight would last hours. It would be over in seconds.

All evidence points to him not having the Odin Force and this simply being a high showing for Thor. At best you can argue some form of it existed, amping his strength to some small degree I guess. Any further than that, and it's just conjecture at best, and straw grasping at worst. It's not wrong. Everyone does it. I did in a fight that potentially had a fair bit of more context than this one. If you use interviews. 🙂

Originally posted by Fifthchild
I would say more without it stalemate and with it definitely Hulk but i guess we arent going to change each others minds. Merged was definitely Class 100 at base.

Silliness. Especially if we look at their fight where Thor was pushing Hulk to his very limits while he was staging a battle.

Originally posted by Fifthchild
I dont think they particularly wrassled at any stage. My main recollection was that Merged seemed pretty comfortable tussling with the hammer in play.

It's been a while since I read it but I remember the Hulk underestimating Norvell, saying he was no Thor (And admitting Thor has kicked him around 🙂) only to get knocked around and off his feet. He then stopped the hammer strike while he was down, knocked the wind out of Norvell and broke his fingers. Norvell then IIRC knocks the Hulk off panel for a few moments (Stunning him I'd wager) until the chick with the gun interferes.

All in all, I don't think you can read that fight and come to the assumption that the Merged Hulk was superior to Norvell physically unless you think the hammer strike is an indication of it, which it's not.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Round 1: Thor(classic) vs Professor hulk (strictly hand to hand)

Round 2: Masterson Thor vs Gray Hulk

Round 3: Thor (bloodlusted) vs Savage Hulk

Round 4: Thor (current) vs Hulk (current)

Round 5: King Thor (without mjolnir) vs WWH

No BFR

1.Classic kills Hulk with Possible a punch if he really wanted lol.
2.Masterson could take it, If ms.Marvel beat him why can't he?
3.Thor bloodlust wins thsi with ease, I'm talking about hitting Hulk with white lighting, or a thermo blast to kill ego the living planet not just throw hammer and try to brawl.
4.If its Thor after chaos war, then Thor wins, If its before like weak one that has trouble with Rulk and sentry then its Hulk.
5.King Thor can eye blast him lol he doesn't need that hammer for this. WWH got hurt by spears...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Silliness. Especially if we look at their fight where Thor was pushing Hulk to his very limits while he was staging a battle.

It's been a while since I read it but I remember the Hulk underestimating Norvell, saying he was no Thor (And admitting Thor has kicked him around 🙂) only to get knocked around and off his feet. He then stopped the hammer strike while he was down, knocked the wind out of Norvell and broke his fingers. Norvell then IIRC knocks the Hulk off panel for a few moments (Stunning him I'd wager) until the chick with the gun interferes.

All in all, I don't think you can read that fight and come to the assumption that the Merged Hulk was superior to Norvell physically unless you think the hammer strike is an indication of it, which it's not.

Bump

Round 1: Thor(classic) vs Professor hulk (strictly hand to hand) - Thor beats the Professor.

Round 2: Masterson Thor vs Gray Hulk - Masterson wins.

Round 3: Thor (bloodlusted) vs Savage Hulk - Thor wins.

Round 4: Thor (current) vs Hulk (current) - Hulk wins, easily.

Round 5: King Thor (without mjolnir) vs WWH - Thor wins.

I'm going to add my own:

Hulk vs Thor h2h with human level stats. 😄

Thor wins all these fights
Hulk is still physically stronger though

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Thor wins all these fights

Even the one where he's dead?

That's still current Thor, right?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Round 1: Thor(classic) vs Professor hulk (strictly hand to hand)

Round 2: Masterson Thor vs Gray Hulk

Round 3: Thor (bloodlusted) vs Savage Hulk

Round 4: Thor (current) vs Hulk (current)

Round 5: King Thor (without mjolnir) vs WWH

No BFR

1) Hulk with difficulty
2) Thor with ease
3) Hulk with difficulty
4) Thor for the majority
5) Thor, no contest