The Gorgon and Omega Red vs Thor in Melee Fight

Originally posted by Philosophía
I think Spiderman is one of the most underplayed characters in fights with street levelers, and I'm of opinion that he should stomp most of them if he gets serious. (see the Kingpin fight in the "Back in black" arc)

Some do have the equipment to pull something (Batman's utility belt, for example) but once it gets into close quarters, he should completly destroy them, and I hate it when it's shown otherwise (the Cap's fights are the best example of this. I also remember an old issue of Amazing Fantasy I think, where Cap's single punch rocked Spiderman's world, and that's stupid)

But then again, Spidey's respect for Cap did play a big part in all of that.

I think we have to realize in KMC, that it is a different matter entirely when someone can smash a tank like a baseball bat and move multiple times faster than a human and has precog and projectile entrapment against a peak human. Same thing here with Thor. Thor fights at his best, just like Spider-Man or anyone else should.

Originally posted by BigSid
I think C master's point is, if Spiderman is obviously faster then how can the difference also be negligible?

Yes I understand that and as usual the asumption is being made because I don't agree with his opinion I don't understand.

I think the problem is that when people assume that they're always right even if you actually answer the question people will still assume that this isn't the case.

Again it's obvious because hes always been classified as being superhuman which is above peak human. There has never been an bio or any statement refering to Spiderman having peak human reflexes. Since other street levelers have similar feats the logical conclusion is that Spiderman is slightly faster.

I don't maybe the answer you wanted to hear is "Oh yes it's a contradiction why didn't I get that all along."

Sorry about the sarcasm but couldn't help noticing the indirect insulting comment.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Also speed feats are much harder to quantify than say strength feats.

This is true for lower levels like Spider-Man and Robin. And as we saw in the Thanos and SS vs Flash and Zoom thread, Surfer and Flash.

Just because it's harder to quantify doesn't mean they can't be.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yes I understand that and as usual the asumption is being made because I don't agree with his opinion I don't understand.

I think the problem is that when people assume that they're always right even if you actually answer the question people will still assume that this isn't the case.

Again it's obvious because hes always been classified as being superhuman which is above peak human. There has never been an bio or any statement refering to Spiderman having peak human reflexes. Since other street levelers have similar feats the logical conclusion is that Spiderman is slightly faster.

I don't maybe the answer you wanted to hear is "Oh yes it's a contradiction why didn't I get that all along."

Sorry about the sarcasm but couldn't help noticing the indirect insulting comment.

Just because it's harder to quantify doesn't mean they can't be.

You didn't seem to directly answer his question which was why I clarified it, no insult was intended.

Originally posted by BigSid
You didn't seem to directly answer his question which was why I clarified it, no insult was intended.

Sorry it's noy you that made the insulting comment, but of course he'll deny thats what he was doing.

Nope I answered the question, it's just not the answer he wanted.

Lol why do you think I'm trying to insult you so bad? I actually like you. You are fun to talk to and watch. I don't know what caused this hatred, but I'm sorry. My life isn't based around antagonizing you.

I was making a point that everyone else saw. I think I may have been unclear so it confused you.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Lol why do you think I'm trying to insult you so bad? I actually like you. You are fun to talk to and watch. I don't know what caused this hatred, but I'm sorry.

You know what you're doing.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

I was making a point that everyone else saw. I think I may have been unclear so it confused you.

Whos 'everyone' BigSid? Nah you weren't unclear and it didn't confuse me.

Philosophia understood.

You're sensitive for whatever reason, or paranoid. If I wanted to insulted you, I would have done it. I don't have a problem with speaking my mind.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

You're sensitive for whatever reason, or paranoid. If I wanted to insulted you, I would have done it. I don't have a problem with speaking my mind.

You might fool other people, but you don't fool me. So don't try it on.

Originally posted by Deadline
You might fool other people, but you don't fool me. So don't try it on.

^ Cheers.

Originally posted by Deadline
^ Cheers.

You're an amazing guy, I know you can do that no problem.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Let's toast to that (I don't drink alcohol though). Whatever "tension" or anger you feel towards me, or perception that I "hate" you (or anyone, especially online) can be dropped.

Don't have any anger towards you I just think you're manipulative and I don't trust you at all, sorry thats my honest impression.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

You're an amazing guy, I know you can do that no problem.

Ok lets get back on topic. ie I don't know about that but lets stop derailing the thread.

Originally posted by Deadline
Don't have any anger towards you I just think you're manipulative and I don't trust you at all, sorry thats my honest impression.

Ok lets get back on topic. ie I don't know about that but lets stop derailing the thread.

Manipulative to who? You don't know me to trust me.

Guys, back on topic please.

Thor 7/10

I checked Red's respect thread, he does have a few decent speed feats so I have a question, do the guys arguing for Gorgon and OR think Red is as fast as Logan?

Because I don't see it...

Originally posted by BigSid
I checked Red's respect thread, he does have a few decent speed feats so I have a question, do the guys arguing for Gorgon and OR think Red is as fast as Logan?

Because I don't see it...

I suppose they mean Red is fast with his tentacles. You'll have to ask them.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I think Spiderman is one of the most underplayed characters in fights with street levelers, and I'm of opinion that he should stomp most of them if he gets serious. (see the Kingpin fight in the "Back in black" arc)

Some do have the equipment to pull something (Batman's utility belt, for example) but once it gets into close quarters, he should completly destroy them, and I hate it when it's shown otherwise (The fight with Cap in Civil War was the best example of this - but then again, Spidey's respect for him played a big part. I also remember an old issue of Amazing Fantasy I think, where Cap's single punch rocked Spiderman's world, and that's stupid).

spider-man's cis is a major hindrance against people he can literally kill with his blows, and his respect for cap is another liability. as we saw with thor he just went all out without any reason to pull punches, same goes for his "fight" with the juggernaut and rhino.

cap and batman can take spider-man out if he wavers, and he does more often than not against presumed "lesser" opponents to his misfortune.

and the foreigner whooped that ass 🤘

Although on KMC he isn't messing around. He could still take them out ala Kingpin.

cis is still a afactor