So where are we at... Wolverine kitty-scratching Thor with his claws means Gorgon lops Thor's head off with an adamantium sword that Blade wields? And Wolverine's speed serves him better than Quicksilver, Juvan, Zefra, and Hermes' speed served them? Awesome. Well, it is true that Thor, for all intents and purposes, one-shotted them and had to two-shot Wolverine. Wolverine's speed somehow > true speedster's speed in a fight after all. Somehow.
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You killed all of the awkwardness of the last few pages, because that's all that happened since you posed earlier.
So ODG, do you think that Gorgon can give Thor serious injuries with the sword? Just curious.
Originally posted by CosmicCometPeople always chose them, I thought the Toads were stronger in some ways, but I knew how to air cancel dash.
The double dragons were better in those cross over games.They had those flying kicks that covered the whole screen.
Originally posted by CosmicCometThey are harder to play with but I liked their move recovery.
I chose the toads when I first got it, they looked more interesting. But they were kinda difficult to not get killed with. lol
If you could air dash, you got more use out of them.
Originally posted by iceman24567Yea, I love oldschool stuff.
Battle Toads and Double Dragon? Currently playing it on my android emulator i beat Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 still working my way threw Battle Toads and Streets of Rage 2
I have it all on my PSP. I don't download new stuff, just stuff I have.
I've beaten all of that stuff. Spider-Man and Venom, Bomberman, etc. I like playing Hyper Sonic and Hyper Knuckles, always good.
You should try this since you like Streets of Rage.
http://www.bombergames.net/sorr_project/?page_id=2
It is a remake of everything, all SOR games put together. Free game, awesome stuff, you'll love it.
@ Rage... I would engage with you in this seemingly endless wall of ridiculous absurdity you call an argument if I thought there was any point to it at all, as if your mind could be changed or you could even be reasonable about the matter.... but good lord... I mean I've been used to your often... shall we say "subjective" view points when it comes to Thor or Herc, or a couple other characters, but THIS takes the cake:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Half a million punches per second? Did you calculate some Thor speed feat or something? If so, kudos. I don't really care what the math turns out to be. Won't discourage me in any way from using the feat in this particular thread.I don't think Thor operates at light speed in terms of reflexes. Not on a comic to comic basis. I do however thing he is capable of using his speed to the best of it's abilities when needed. And that might include at least one light speed level feat. I.e. his more than fast enough to tag Gorgon or Omega Red and rip them to pieces.
Rarely have I seen such a short post so simply, quickly, and blunty establish someone's bias while exposing their blatant fanboyism.
You've just FLAT OUT SAID that in spite of a feat portraying Thor operating outside of your interpretation of the character it won't keep you from using it, THEN tell us that you think Thor IS capible of operating at speeds that you just suggested he doesn't operate at?
Trying to have your cake and eat it too. Either Thor has the capability of operating and fighting at light speeds or he doesn't.
I know he doesn't, you know he doesn't and you're STILL going to argue that he does because of a couple of feats might suggest he operates outside of his established levels.
What a farce.
Hyperion blitzed Thor. Your insistance that's not what happened is a joke.
Gladiator blitzed Thor while talking about hardly trying and flying slower on panel than sound (which is the only quantifiable measure in that scan)
. What he may or may not have done after that instance is as irrelivant as the speed feats that you posted AGAIN which still don't outclaess Wolverine, OR a bunch of feats where people who aren't using Adamantium weaponry are failing to cut Thor.
Thor's met Wolverine's claws three times in Marvel, he's been cut in all of them and you can accept that or cling to your fanboyism.
Thor overpowering villains with punches, is NOT the same as using agility and speed to evade them.
Thor has been cut by Wolverine. Thor has proven himself slower in combat than Wolverine.
That's as far as this needs to go and if you're going to build some precedence on characters in Marvel lying about their abilities, then maybe you should avoid the logical flaw of making arguments built on character statements.
How pathetic.
Originally posted by jinzin
@ Rage... I would engage with you in this seemingly endless wall of ridiculous absurdity you call an argument if I thought there was any point to it at all, as if your mind could be changed or you could even be reasonable about the matter.... but good lord... I mean I've been used to your often... shall we say "subjective" view points when it comes to Thor or Herc, or a couple other characters, but THIS takes the cake:
Uhuh. Apparently me calling your arguments idiotic is a sign of me not being able to form an actual argument (Except I did but whatever). By your standards, this is a full on concession. 🙂
Originally posted by jinzin
Rarely have I seen such a short post so simply, quickly, and blunty establish someone's bias while exposing their blatant fanboyism.
So you haven't been reading the pro Wolverine arguments have you? There are two particular posters who you should focus on. Jinzin and Skrank. You'll get a hoot out of it.
Originally posted by jinzin
You've just FLAT OUT SAID that in spite of a feat portraying Thor operating outside of your interpretation of the character it won't keep you from using it, THEN tell us that you think Thor IS capible of operating at speeds that you just suggested he doesn't operate at?
Ah, the strawman. Unless you really believe this.
I said Thor doesn't operate on a light speed level on a comic to comic basis. I.e. it's not the level he operates on average.
There are however, some Thor speed feats, which includes at least one feat that I would classify as light speed in terms of reflexes.
No contradiction. I know exactly what I post. Unlike some people.
Originally posted by jinzin
Trying to have your cake and eat it too. Either Thor has the capability of operating and fighting at light speeds or he doesn't.
I know he doesn't, you know he doesn't and you're STILL going to argue that he does because of a couple of feats might suggest he operates outside of his established levels.
baka You see, this is what gets to me. You have absolutely zero problem basing Thor's capabilities off of one particular issue or Thor's lowest feats ever. And it's not just you. Skrank was doing it too. On the other hand, when I use the other end of the spectrum, suddenly majority rules.
Please, GTFO with this double standard, spin doctoring bullshit. I said it 40 pages ago.
Thor > Wolverine
The sooner you accept it, the sooner your embarrassment ends.
Oh, and I already explained to you why using the "majority rule" for Thor doesn't work most of the time. Thor holds back. Immensely. It's part of his character. 95% of his appearances mean little in regards to his capabilities or limitations. We know Thor actively tones himself down across the board to the point it's a reflex. True, there the few low end showings that you can't account for like the bullet scene, Let the Battle Begin etc. but every character has them.
Interestingly, both of those scenes were mentioned by Skrank and you. Coincidence? 😉
The Wolverine vs. Thor fight is a bit iffy. The more I think about it, it becomes less of a legit low showing and more of Thor being Thor. We know he holds back noticeably against allies. In particular, those who are being controlled, or duped.
Originally posted by jinzin
What a farce.
Brilliant. I concede.
Originally posted by jinzin
Hyperion blitzed Thor. Your insistance that's not what happened is a joke.
I don't think Hyperion blitzed Thor because it's not what happened. What Superman did to the Imperiex Probe is a blitz.
Hyperion suddenly attacking Thor, landing one hit while moving at super speed and suddenly being knocked away in that very same moment is not a blitz. Not how I'd define the term.
Originally posted by jinzin
Gladiator blitzed Thor while talking about hardly trying and flying slower on panel than sound (which is the only quantifiable measure in that scan)
😂 Oh Jinzin. The lengths you go to. Did you even read my post?
I already debunked this silly shit. Not going to waste my time on it.
Originally posted by jinzin
What he may or may not have done after that instance is as irrelivant as the speed feats that you posted AGAIN which still don't outclaess Wolverine, OR a bunch of feats where people who aren't using Adamantium weaponry are failing to cut Thor.
Ah, the beauty of being dense. You can ignore all the evidence you like and all the feats you like.
Originally posted by jinzin
Thor's met Wolverine's claws three times in Marvel, he's been cut in all of them and you can accept that or cling to your fanboyism.
I think Wolverine can at best do superficial damage to a high end Thor. Fanboyism? K.
Originally posted by jinzin
Thor overpowering villains with punches, is NOT the same as using agility and speed to evade them.
Lol what? In every scan I posted, Thor's speed was evident if not the most focused of attributes.
Originally posted by jinzin
Thor has been cut by Wolverine. Thor has proven himself slower in combat than Wolverine.
There you go Jinzin. Basing the character's capabilities off of one issue as if it's the be all, end all.
Originally posted by jinzin
That's as far as this needs to go and if you're going to build some precedence on characters in Marvel lying about their abilities, then maybe you should avoid the logical flaw of making arguments built on character statements.
Lying? Hardly. There have been two instances now where Thor directly contradicts his thought bubbles. It can easily be written off as Thor forgetting his capabilities.
I don't assume everything Thor says can be argued as not true. Not even close. I'm simply pointing out to you that if Thor says one thing, then does something else, it wouldn't necessarily be a contradiction because there has been precedent of Thor underestimating and forgetting his capabilities due to the time his spent with mortals. As a result, the contradiction is eliminated, and the comic reads smoother.
As Thor put it back in the day, his spent so many times fighting along side mortals, his forgotten what it means to fight like a God.
Lol.
Originally posted by jinzin
How pathetic.
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The butt hurt, it's over 9000. I can feel emanating from every word.
It's okay. Just concede defeat, and your dignity will return after a few weeks. I'd have thought you would have learned your lesson after the Diana vs. Gorgon thread.
This has honestly been very fun time for me.
I'm asked to prove Thor's superior speed feats. I do just that. They don't count.
I'm asked to prove Thor's extreme high end piercing resistance. I do just that. They don't count.
Rinse and repeat throughout he entire thread. This hasn't been a debate. This is you trying to spin and twist everything I've posted because you don't have an actual argument if we aren't basing Thor off of his lowest portrayals. It just doesn't work and it must really frustrate you.
This has been fun.
I wash my hands of you. Next time you feel like getting embarassed, holla.
You're a fanboy with fanboy fantasies of Thor being a lightspeeder in combat in spite of an entire career which dictates he isn't.
Your argument doesn't cater to logic, it doesn't cater to reason, it caters to PIS and it does so openly. You can try and take it back or backtrack all you like but it IS a farce to argue that Thor isn't a lightspeeder in combat...buuuut he can pull out a random lightspeed feat from his ass if "he needs too" nothing could be more placating to your bias than that kind of one-sided stupidity.
You haven't successfully proved a single thing about your position thus far that you're trying to prove.
Thor doesn't have feats good enough nevermind consistent enough to put him outside of Wolverine's speed in h2h, and literally hundreds of examples of Thor IN HAND TO HAND prove this in spite of what a few random feats sparce throughout decades of his career MIGHT suggest.
Wolverine's claws have cut Thor.
3 out of 3 times. It's the consensus at Marvel and arguing otherwise using examples of other people using other weaponry failing to cut Thor does nothing but once again expose your raging bias here.
Wolverine's been fast enough to score first blood on Thor 2 out of 2 times. It's the consensus at Marvel and ignoring those examples to hypocritically pretend Thor was dealing with guys like Hermes strictly because he was operating at speeds faster than them? Again, exposes your bias.
If Thor was as fast as you think he is, Hercules wouldn't be an issue for him in combat... except.. oh he is.
Hulk wouldn't be an issue for him in combat... except... oh wait he is! 😱
This could literally go on for hundreds of examples but it's plain stupidity to have to argue that Thor doesn't have super speed in combat when that's NEVER ONCE been attributed to him by Marvel as a part of his powerset.
The Thor vs. Wolverine fight was a typical representation for either one of them. Wolverine using speed and agility against a super strong opponent, Thor throwing haymakers like a brick.. Those are the characters, that's the way they're portrayed by Marvel a majority of the time.
The simple fact is that there's a comic that shows us everything we need to know about this fight.
You want to ignore that comic? that's fine, it's utterly typical with everything else you displayed in this thread.
But at the end of the day we have evidence concerning this particular discussion and it doesn't fall on your side of the fence. And now more than one example at that. I love that Marvel agrees with our side and not yours, it's truly amusing to watch you guys scrape the bottem of the intellectual barrel trying to muster up arguments to ignore what you don't like.
As for embarrassment. The only thing I'm embarrassed about it the amount of time I wasted on you thinking you could engage in a reasonable discussion in spite of your incredible fanboyism... though it's nice to see your delusions are not soley fixated around Thor and what he can't do. Must be nice to be a legend in your own mind, you never have to worry about those petty things like reality.... where there's a comic proving Wolverine can cut Thor while faster than him in h2h combat. 😉
*sigh* Reading really isn't your strong point is it? I don't know if I could make it any clearer. You're double standard, bias and downright silliness is getting out of hand. Oh, and your straw-manning.
This is seriously lawlz worthy. If the feats I post would mean Thor can operate at light speed, how does that in itself invalidate my argument? Because on average, Thor operates at slower levels? K. Thor has more than one feat that is beyond Logan in terms of speed. That is all that really matters. That is all I've been trying to prove. You're the on hang up on how far Thor up his speed can go.
Did I even mention light speed before you did in this argument? Thor has one speed feat that I would classify as a light speed feat. Call it an extreme showing if it makes you feel better. But it happened. Just like the time Logan cut Thor. It happened in a comic, so it must happen here. That has been one of the main points of your argument no matter how illogical. And for the record, even Bill did something similar in the Surfer fight.
The fact that you can't accept Thor operating at speeds beyond Logan's is not my fault. I'm not arguing Thor goes around speed blitzing characters. I've even outright stated Thor is not a speedster as I would define one. But he is fast when the writer needs him to be. This has been made clear multiple times throughout his history. Your reluctance to accept this is not my problem.
Get. Over. It.
And using Hercules or Hulk as some kind of basis is laughable. It was made clear in the very fight against Hulk that Thor was clearer the faster of the two (I even posted the damn scan). Thor holds back against Hercules as well, also made it clear in one of their earlier fights. Have you gotten the point I've been trying to drive through your thick skull? Thor holds back a great deal. It's part of his character. He likes a challenge. It's the most believable way to explain why he doesn't annihilate most opponents and the writers have stuck with it.
Screw it. I'm not getting into a lengthy debate with you about this. I already owned you once. No point doing it again.
Let's just have a battle zone to settle this.
Thor vs. Wolverine. Thor gets Mjolnir, Logan gets his claws. Thor is not allowed to use energy attacks, or weather manipulation. Even hammer tossing can be banned if it makes you feel better. They start at the regular distance from each other in a stadium.
5 judges.
He's fast "when writers need him to be"... that fact coupled with his entire career. It's the very definition of PIS.
There's a MAAAAAAAAAASSIVE double standard if you think Thor pulling off feats that are outside of his scope 99 percent of the time are applicable to a forum thread whilst trying to disregard the Wolverine/Thor fight itself on the basis that the fight is outside of Wolverine's abilities. It works both ways. That's been the whole point.
You can't logically refute that example while arguing for Thor being faster than Wolverine the way you have.
And sorry but your argumentation denotes that Thor combats at lightspeeds. You're all over the place in this thread trying to give him powers he doesn't have while attempting to maintain credability.
He can't punch at lightspeed, yet you think he can, if he has to, in spite of also thinking he's not a lightspeeder, it's a totally self serving argument.
The bottem line is that every character has feats outside of their scope. Wolverine blocks lazers, moves so fast he's completely invisible (which would be a light speed feat), Walks around as an Adamantium skeleton, and dissapears in broad daylight... no one is going to sit here and use those example's as legitimate feats to be citing for the character in a forum fight because they're WAY outside his typical scope.
Thor has random speed feats outside his scope, good for him, so does Wolverine, so does everyone else with a decent appearance list in comics. Doesn't change the fact that when Marvels had to produce an answer as to Wolverine speed matching Thor's or surpassing it while facing off in h2h the answers been yes every time.
Thor's faster than Hulk but not nearly as fast as you claim him to be which would turn Hulk from a threat to a complete non-factor in h2h.
Herc holds back plenty too, not an argument.
Thor holds back like everyone else... except when he doesn't... and still fails to be the lightspeed attacking badass you pretend him to be.
You don't want to get in a lengthy debate with me? You already have. multiple times. You can't go one post without contradicting yourself can you.
I don't have time to commit to a BZ sorry.
But I can refer you to the Thor vs. Wolverine comic if you have any questions.
Do you even know what the word contradiction means? Anyways, I'm done with you Jinzin.
I'm not going to get into this again. I've done it twice and destroyed your stupidity twice. You aren't even debating Thor and Wolverine anymore. You're focused on Thor operating at light speed as if that somehow invalidates my argument. Thor has feats beyond Logan. That's the point. You can ignore the feat that places Thor at light speed if you think it's PIS. The point will still stand. This is just sad.
Whatever, when you want to settle this for good, pm me.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No Battlezone? Poor Rage.
Yea, no one wants to play with me. 🙁
Do you think Skrank would be down?
Dunno, has Srank ever done one?
Originally posted by TricksterPriestNo, consistency is what counts on a forum above all else, anybody who disagrees is just mad.
Hey C-master, are you aware of a rule called SM/FL?
Of course unless you mean the rule where it says Spider-Man beating Firelord is a low showing for Spider-Man. 😱