Originally posted by Placidity
^ Ok, I get ya.But I would imagine, the chopper would be trying to fly away (i.e opposite direction/up) after the crew realize something is pulling it down?
I thought the same thing but it sounds like the "engines" get weaker...review the vid (I don't have it) and tell us what happens.
If the engines "rev up", I'll concede and say that the hybrids are stronger than 1 tonners (ignoring the PIS of the rope being much too crappy to handle that, lol!)
Originally posted by Placidity
Also, I don't know jack crap about how a chopper operates, but I would imagine that it has some sort of mechanism to automatically stabilize itself to maintain 'hovering' statically? Like say if it somehow senses downward force is becoming greater, it will compensate? I mean rescue choppers have to pull stuff up, yet it more or less maintains its position.Then theres also the point that Markus pulls it down quite quickly, so the force must have been considerable.
I was thinking about this and I would assume some of the more complicated (computer) helicopters have a system that self corrects if it starts losing altitude. However, it would require the "engines to rev", like I said previously, in order to compensate. I USED to go to church with an Airforce Comanche pilot...so I could have asked him at church tomorrow. 🙁 He moved.
But, yeah, essentially, it's just rotating the main blades faster or slower to create left or descend. When they lift off, they just spin faster. The faster they spin, the more lift force they create. As soon as that total lift force system exceeds that pull of gravity of the entire system (and attached items) it can lift off.
The rear propeller, called the rear rotor, spins to correct for the gyroscoping effect the rotating blades up top create...but there's really no complicated system in place to turn on an "auto-pilot" that corrects for a sudden change on the altimeter.
I do know, however, that Marcus would need to anchor himself in order to succeed.
Additionally, that chopper would not be able to exert enough "upward" force to come close to 11 tons: it has a rated "load" and there were already several men on the chopper and some repelling down.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The Volturi push trees on them.awepeach
You bastard!
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Originally posted by dadudemonWhy would they need to figure out where they are if they're fighting them?
No, the humans would need to figure out where they are.Cause they need to know where they are, first.
Taking out the military heads and heads of state would be, though. That'd be far easier especailly since the vampires would have far more planning time.
You tell me. I think it will bounce off just like it would do to a rock. You think it will cut them. Why?
Sugical steel, in a very small cylindrical form, would have a really good chance of punching into the flesh. A vampire is superhuman, so they'd have an even better chance to stab it, very hard, with perfect accuracy. It just bends and does nothing.
Additionally, where is this evidence that a katana or claymore is going to cut through something that has a hardness somewhere between granite and a diamond?
Hardness appears to be greater than a 9 on the hardness scale, considering this needle measure. Surgical steel is somewhere between an 8.5 and a 9.5 (I could have sworn it was a low 9, but I couldn't find anything. I did find something about industrial steel being an 8.)
Mythbusters trying to break swords. They had one wind up all the way to somethng like 5 times harder than the best swordsmen could do. Considering the vampire flesh is going to be comparable to super durable steel, it's a fair measure.
I don't know what you want from me, actually.
You're really stretching in an attempt to make his statement make sense.
Why would I tell you, you made the statement of them not being able to be cut, I'm waiting for you to prove it.
Where is the evidence that the vampire's hardness is somewhere between granite and diamond? The hardness between those to substances is pretty substantial, care to narrow it down with evidence showing what their hardness actually is?
Is the needle "feat" actually shown in the movies, I don't remember that?
So are you guessing on the hardness of surgical steel or, what is this?
Basically, I want you to prove these statements w/o using statements and instead use actually feats, if that's possible.
Originally posted by Mindset
Why would they need to figure out where they are if they're fighting them?
148,940,000 km2
Originally posted by Mindset
You're really stretching in an attempt to make his statement make sense.
K.
Originally posted by Mindset
Why would I tell you, you made the statement of them not being able to be cut, I'm waiting for you to prove it.
I have and the conversation has ended, already, whether or not you choose to acknowledge it.
Originally posted by Mindset
Where is the evidence that the vampire's hardness is somewhere between granite and diamond?
I've already given it to you so it doesn't matter whether or not you choose to acknowledge it.
Originally posted by Mindset
The hardness between those to substances is pretty substantial, care to narrow it down with evidence showing what their hardness actually is?
I have. It doesn't matter whether or not you choose to acknowledge it.
Originally posted by Mindset
Is the needle "feat" actually shown in the movies, I don't remember that?
That's because Breaking Dawn doesn't come out until November 18th. I really don't care if the movie is not out yet. What will you do on November 18th? You can only hide behind a release date for so long.
I plan to revive about a dozen threads on that date. This thread doesn't need to be revived, though.
Originally posted by Mindset
So are you guessing on the hardness of surgical steel or, what is this?
I am not. I know it's greater than 8.5 but less than 9.5. I don't remember the exact hardness.
Originally posted by Mindset
Basically, I want you to prove these statements w/o using statements and instead use actually feats, if that's possible.
No thank you.
I don't know anything about Twilight, anymore. I want you to contribute to the topic instead of talking to me. If you'd like to know more answers, PM. I will not reply to you in this thread, any longer.
Originally posted by marwash22
it's granite... not diamond, dunno where that shit came from.also, what needle is being discussed?
Here are other statements used to describe the Vampires:
Invincible.
Hard as a diamond.
Unbreakable.
Calling them "just granite" is still symbolic language.
Oh damn, PLEASE do not revive anymore Twi threads, or RJ will NEVER stop with any Twilight fanboyism. They are already overpowered enough, to the point where only an Uber-human can kill them, so spare our sanity....
Also, a modern human army can kill 20 newborn vamps no problem, they would take several hundred/thousands of casualties, but eventually they would be found, and then out come the M-2 FLAMETHROWERS!!!! 😄
Originally posted by Pwned
Oh damn, PLEASE do not revive anymore Twi threads, or RJ will NEVER stop with any Twilight fanboyism. They are already overpowered enough, to the point where only an Uber-human can kill them, so spare our sanity....
Nah. RJ doesn't come around, anymore. HIs only post was "bewbz"...most likely making fun of me for taking this "seriously"...which is probably well deserved.
Originally posted by Pwned
Also, a modern human army can kill 20 newborn vamps no problem, they would take several hundred/thousands of casualties, but eventually they would be found, and then out come the M-2 FLAMETHROWERS!!!! 😄
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Anyway, I'd say that that is a fair assessment. It's hard for me to believe that new borns...which are not very good at determining their "powers", could only hope to take out 100,000 or so.
So, as long as you don't mind, I'm going to start parroting you on that.
Im not denying that bullets and many anti personnel devices would be useless, but a Flamethrower would work by just spraying them with frikkin napalm. Burn them where they stand. Sure, the operaters would die, but still. And an Abrams could hit them from a mile away. Literally. Mile or two i think it is, so as long as they dont notice the tank sitting there, they die from the blast.
And im pretty sure a napalm strike wouldl take out a good number of them, the only reason they can actually take out as many as they can is due to the fact that they will be harder to track down, though as soon as one steps into the daylight and someone sees it without them knowing, then the report will be filed, and they will be exposed. All they have to look for is really white skin, incredibly good looks, the best sounding voice ever, oh yeah, and BRIGHT RED EYES.
Originally posted by Pwned
Im not denying that bullets and many anti personnel devices would be useless, but a Flamethrower would work by just spraying them with frikkin napalm.
If I could delve into the books...it's possible that a flamethrower WOULD work on them. Their eyes have the "venom" which acts like a powerful acid...and it lubes up their eyeballs and other things. I believe it is the venom that makes them flammable, iirc.
Because of that, should not a flamethrower to the face work just fine? They seem to burn more readily than kerosene but not quite as well as gasoline...so that should be more than enough to work, right?
Also, I think that really high-caliber/heavy/high-velocity rounds would work just fine. Like depleted uranium 50-cal rounds should punch through them. But, their healing factor is so fast that it would take an automatic, which the US military has in plenty.
Originally posted by Pwned
Burn them where they stand. Sure, the operaters would die, but still. And an Abrams could hit them from a mile away. Literally. Mile or two i think it is, so as long as they dont notice the tank sitting there, they die from the blast.And im pretty sure a napalm strike wouldl take out a good number of them, the only reason they can actually take out as many as they can is due to the fact that they will be harder to track down, though as soon as one steps into the daylight and someone sees it without them knowing, then the report will be filed, and they will be exposed. All they have to look for is really white skin, incredibly good looks, the best sounding voice ever, oh yeah, and BRIGHT RED EYES.
I agree and that was pretty much my assessment: they could take out tons of military before they would be noticed due to their speed and not really being able to tell who they are.
But, I was thinking about this: as soon as a world power captures one semi-intact vampire, they could easily tell them apart with some IR-Vision: if they "light up", then they are not vamps. If they don't, smoke 'em. Simple, right?
Originally posted by dadudemonYou've given me statements and things that may or may not be shown in a movie that you haven't seen.
148,940,000 km2K.
I have and the conversation has ended, already, whether or not you choose to acknowledge it.
I've already given it to you so it doesn't matter whether or not you choose to acknowledge it.
I have. It doesn't matter whether or not you choose to acknowledge it.
That's because Breaking Dawn doesn't come out until November 18th. I really don't care if the movie is not out yet. What will you do on November 18th? You can only hide behind a release date for so long.
I plan to revive about a dozen threads on that date. This thread doesn't need to be revived, though.
I am not. I know it's greater than 8.5 but less than 9.5. I don't remember the exact hardness.
No thank you.
I don't know anything about Twilight, anymore. I want you to contribute to the topic instead of talking to me. If you'd like to know more answers, PM. I will not reply to you in this thread, any longer.
Here are other statements used to describe the Vampires:
Invincible.
Hard as a diamond.
Unbreakable.
Calling them "just granite" is still symbolic language.
You haven't shown any actual displays of power, you rely on vague statements and your own estimations as "proof".