Dream(Morpheus) vs Legion(David Haller)

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Because this mutant supposedly destroyed and recreated Eternity, Mistress Death, Infinity, Galactus, Lord Chaos, Mistress Love, etc.

All 'Dream' did was tell a boring story that sent the already tired Ultimator to sleep. There was no gesturing or stomping anywhere. And the Dream that appeared in that story wasn't really Morpheus, he was just a comic book character.

http://img141.imageshack.us/i/lier1.jpg/
http://img146.imageshack.us/i/lier2.jpg/

I also don't believe that the Endless are more powerful than Marvel's abstracts, but that's neither here nor there.

from what comic are those scans from? and why did you name them as "lier 1" and "lier 2"?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Sandman was never about 'feats'.

I think the benchmark we'd use though for determining demonic power would be Etrigan. Azazel was definitely above the likes of Etrigan for what that's worth.

that is what i am getting at i read a few of the stories but the extrapolation of power is simply going by titles of characters and assuming a specific powerset that isnt shown for them.

well, gasp, he pawned a demon and word pawned in the dream realm.. he is uber!! i mean what has Azazel actually done himself to make him above others other than his job title?

that doesnt fly for other characters who have similar feats and titles so why should it fly for Dream.
pr1983

Originally posted by King Castle
that is what i am getting at i read a few of the stories but the extrapolation of power is simply going by titles of characters and assuming a specific powerset that isnt shown for them.

well, gasp, he pawned a demon and word pawned in the dream realm.. he is uber!! i mean what has Azazel actually done himself to make him above others other than his job title?

that doesnt fly for other characters who have similar feats and titles so why should it fly for Dream.
pr1983

But there was an implication in one story that Dream and the dreams he represented were so powerful that merely a hundred people dreaming the same dream was enough to utterly warp reality to conform to that shared dream. The warping was so complete that in effect the previous reality had never existed and only Dream himself remembered the way things were.

Originally posted by King Castle
that is what i am getting at i read a few of the stories but the extrapolation of power is simply going by titles of characters and assuming a specific powerset that isnt shown for them.

well, gasp, he pawned a demon and word pawned in the dream realm.. he is uber!! i mean what has Azazel actually done himself to make him above others other than his job title?

that doesnt fly for other characters who have similar feats and titles so why should it fly for Dream.
pr1983

As Omega said, using The Endless in threads is kinda pointless due to their nature being vastly greater than the sum of their feats.

But I mean, if you're going for a straight feat, Dream was able to pull Starro's number of continent sized bodies into the Dreaming and shrink and imprison him with no effort, and Starro could do absolutely nothing about it.

Within the Dreaming Dream is essentially omnipotent, as the entire realm is him. There's no way to trick him within the Dreaming, and he was shown a number of times to be able to effortlessly warp reality within the Dreaming.

i read the story and i am positive that their are some massive context being left out of the starro imprisonment that had to do with disrupting the bonding and forcing starro into the dream realm.. irrc..

Originally posted by King Castle
i read the story and i am positive that their are some massive context being left out of the starro imprisonment that had to do with disrupting the bonding and forcing starro into the dream realm.. irrc..

The JLA tricked Starro into leaving the Earth by making it think the Earth was toxic, but it was still fully functional and existing in the real universe.

Then Dream imprisoned Starro in the Dreaming, and Starro could do nothing about it, with the narration stating "There's always a bigger fish"

iirc that it is.