Zoom vs Darkseid

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Originally posted by MrMind
zoom can stretch time without limit, in theory he can give darkseid a million punches under a second before darkseid OE him. and consider he hits harder than superman darkseid's in trouble.
does darkseid have time manipulation power? even if he does, it's very iffy to say he can use it before zoom ko him.
if this fight happens in comics I think darkseid could win, but in theory zoom can kill any characters he can hurt.

I think DS might have his number since Zoom's "speed" is based on time manipulation around his own space i.e. slowing down the effects of time on his body.

DS can manipulate relative time so he can probably even manipulate the effects of time on Zoom's body. DS has manipulated time around people in the past, leaving alone time jumping, he can increase the speed of time or bend time around a person.

Hasn't stopped Zoom. And if that's the case why does Superman give him such a hard time so frequently? I understand he is Superman, but Superman has had no problems with speed on Darkseid.

Superman's speed is purely physical, Zoom's "speed" is actually time manipulation on his own body.

DS can bend time around a person to increase or decrease the speed of time on a body. If he perceived Zoom's time manip, he will screw with it.

How would he screw with it, specifically?

Zoom has his own personal timeline.

And Superman surely wouldn't be a trouble. If he could wreck Zoom that easy.

He can bend relative time, while Zoom can only manipulate time on his own body, he can't touch relative time. If DS perceives Zoom's exploitation of his time manipulation powers he can slow down time around Zoom, however many feet of space that is. Negating Zoom's exploit and his "speed" advantage through that exploit.

He's already shown he can loop, bend, increase the speed or reduce the speed of time around a single target or even a whole planet. Wouldn't be difficult to bend relative time around the battlefield.

Zoom wins.

Originally posted by Allankles
He can bend relative time, while Zoom can only manipulate time on his own body, he can't touch relative time. If DS perceives Zoom's exploitation of his time manipulation powers he can slow down time around Zoom, however many feet of space that is. Negating Zoom's exploit and his "speed" advantage through that exploit.

He's already shown he can loop, bend, increase the speed or reduce the speed of time around a single target or even a whole planet. Wouldn't be difficult to bend relative time around the battlefield.

I still don't see how he manipulates one he does not.

He wouldn't do it in the time it takes Zoom to nail him.

Zoom.

I think PC DS would win though.

Lol, that was a different beast. You'd have more weight there.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And Superman surely wouldn't be a trouble. If he could wreck Zoom that easy.

Zoom isn't even fast in the same way Flash or Superman are, he's manipulating time. All DS would need to do, knowing the target, is screw with his time manipulation. DS himself does have time manipulation capabilities. DS can sense and perceive that kind of manipulation and won't ignore it, it's Zoom's one and only trump card.

As far as Supes being a problem that's the comic books, no character uses all their abilities at once in any story.

A weak argument to use, since Zoom in his losses to Wonder woman and the Flash rogues has the same problem. If we go strictly by who they've beat and how, then Zoom wouldn't stand a chance.

I'm just mentioning the fact that Zoom is a guy with limited time manip, fighting a guy who has shown that he can manip time on a grand scale.

Originally posted by Mindset
So DS can manipulate the timeline he exists in.

I still don't see how he manipulates one he does not.

Zoom wins by default. Darkseid wears a skirt. His the equivalent of a woman at this point.

For all intents and purposes Zoom *is* fast.

Speed is only Distance/time

If he shortens the time to an extreme amount and his distance is the same, he is by all intents and purposes fast.

Originally posted by Mindset
So DS can manipulate the timeline he exists in.

I still don't see how he manipulates one he does not.

Time line is the wrong term to use. Zoom can't manipulate his timeline, he manipulates time relative to his own space, there's a difference. 😉 A timeline involves an entire host of futures, possible futures etc that are beyond his capacity to manipulate, basically it makes it sound like he can do more than he actually does.

And yes DS can bend space time on his own body. The issue here isn't about what happens in specific fights, because if we go by that Zoom loses.

We go by what the character can do, we offer Zoom that benefit in the forums, we should do the same for DS. Time manipulation isn't the way to beat DS, especially when you're not even capable of manipulating relative time. He's shown the ability to not only perceive time distortion but to distort time himself for his own sake.

Actually Zoom has gone through time and manipulated things, it was a large part of his story arc.

Originally posted by Allankles
Time line is the wrong term to use. Zoom can't manipulate his timeline, he manipulates time relative to his own space, there's a difference. 😉 A timeline involves an entire host of futures, possible futures etc that are beyond his capacity to manipulate, basically it makes it sound like he can do more than he actually does.

And yes DS can bend space time on his own body. The issue here isn't about what happens in specific fights, because if we go by that Zoom loses.

We go by what the character can do, we offer Zoom that benefit in the forums, we should do the same for DS. Time manipulation isn't the way to beat DS, especially when you're not even capable of manipulating relative time. He's shown the ability to not only perceive time distortion but to distort time himself for his own sake.

Do you have the scan where his powers are explained?