Nova/SuperSkrull vs Gladiator/Ronan

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
first off, you make it seam like it was the entirety of the Novas.
second, ever heard of the fodder principle?
third, you keep saying "he took out the entire Nova force" all the time you debate for Gladz and leave out important parts. you are cherry picker supreme I tell ya! 😆

Lol... my bad.

Ok, it wasn't All of them BUT even if it was, what difference would it have made. The 2 to 3 that was there got one shotted and he pretty much didnt register the blast that he was hit by (only said "ouch" but didn't even move a muscle).

Why is someone that has possession of the same abilities as Nova Prime fodder?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... my bad.

Ok, it wasn't All of them BUT even if it was, what difference would it have made. The 2 to 3 that was there got one shotted and he pretty much didnt register the blast that he was hit by (only said "ouch" but didn't even move a muscle).

Why is someone that has possession of the same abilities as Nova Prime fodder?

I'm talking about the Nova Centurions you keep bringing up.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'm talking about the Nova Centurions you keep bringing up.

So you think if more would have shown up it would have made a difference? I understand what you mean by fodder but it still doesn't take away from the feat and the female that was there (the one that was getting choked by Glads)... wasn't she the one that gave N Prime a fight when he was mind controlled?

Originally posted by carver9
So you think if more would have shown up it would have made a difference? I understand what you mean by fodder but it still doesn't take away from the feat and the female that was there (the one that was getting choked by Glads)... wasn't she the one that gave N Prime a fight when he was mind controlled?

ure way off. plus im lessening ure statement of "beating the entire Nova force". what's the point of saying "So you think if more would have shown up it would have made a difference?" ure confusing ureself.

Originally posted by dmills
Based on what? What you think you might remember? Because iirc you only a few posts ago said that you weren't read up to speed on Nova.

LOL! No mid herald is punching Nova's lights out. To suggest so would be lowballing Rich to the fullest.

Maybe at the end of his series he moved up the chain but the Nova I knew wasn't near these top tiers in terms of power or durability.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... my bad.

Ok, it wasn't All of them BUT even if it was, what difference would it have made. The 2 to 3 that was there got one shotted and he pretty much didnt register the blast that he was hit by (only said "ouch" but didn't even move a muscle).

Why is someone that has possession of the same abilities as Nova Prime fodder?

Ok Nova history 101.

It's because Richard's body was altered to house the entire Nova Force matrix. In essence he's a living conduit for its energy. He'd die without it. This actually occurred waaay back after the first destruction of Xandar in the war with the skrulls. Queen Adora resequenced his dna to house the code or "spirit of Xandar", so that if ever Xandar was destroyed someone would hold the code to resurrect the planet. When he took control of the raw Nova Force from Supernova, he became the living embodiment of the raw or "primal" Nova Force. For illustrative purposes, this;

After fighting firelord, air walker, Glads and a Shi-ar armada, Adora calmed him down and he poured the Nova force into the planet to rebirth it.

This was touched on in his third series and was expounded on by DnA. Basically his body is designed to accommodate more Nova Force then any other Nova can handle. He'd die without it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Glads fight with Nova in how he was just above him Nova can't slug it out with him. I also recall Surfer treating him like an utter nonfactor and in some ancient issue Nova I believe was trying to beat someone Hulk comes out of nowhere and calmly oneshots the threat.

Maybe at the end of his series he moved up the chain but the Nova I knew wasn't near these top tiers in terms of power or durability.

I hear ya man. Couple of things.

1) The Nova v Glads fight took place in the very first issue of vol.2. Nova was just coming into his own as a centurion and hadn't fully come to grips with his new power.

2) That fight was nearly 20 years ago. Novas's a hell of a lot more powerful now then he was back then.

3) The "fight" with Norrin was a non fight with neither going balls out. Surfer got a shot in, Nova got a shot in and they grappled till they hit planetside. Surfer came across as a badass and all, but Rich was unscathed and ready to go. No *objective* conclusion can be made from that. The hyperbole was in favor of Norrin though.

Furthermore Norrin is a member of the trinity. A highest of high herald character along with Thor and Supes. Nova ain't on that level. No shame in a "lose" to one of those 3. They kick everyone's ass.

Originally posted by carver9
I understand what you mean by fodder but it still doesn't take away from the feat and the female that was there (the one that was getting choked by Glads)... wasn't she the one that gave N Prime a fight when he was mind controlled?

No. The *female* getting choked by Glads was Tarcel. The chick that blasted Glads in the back was Suki. The chick that fought Rich was Ko-Rell.

Originally posted by dmills
I hear ya man. Couple of things.

1) The Nova v Glads fight took place in the very first issue of vol.2. Nova was just coming into his own as a centurion and hadn't fully come to grips with his new power.

2) That fight was nearly 20 years ago. Novas's a hell of a lot more powerful now then he was back then.

3) The "fight" with Norrin was a non fight with neither going balls out. Surfer got a shot in, Nova got a shot in and they grappled till they hit planetside. Surfer came across as a badass and all, but Rich was unscathed and ready to go. No *objective* conclusion can be made from that. The hyperbole was in favor of Norrin though.

Furthermore Norrin is a member of the trinity. A highest of high herald character along with Thor and Supes. Nova ain't on that level. No shame in a "lose" to one of those 3. They kick everyone's ass.

But Gladiator has defeated Thor and almost beat the h*** out of Masterson (until he got snuck attacked). So if any is on the level of the 3 that you just named, its Kallark (and him and Surfer are the only ones to show planetary level power.).

Originally posted by dmills
No. The *female* getting choked by Glads was Tarcel. The chick that blasted Glads in the back was Suki. The chick that fought Rich was Ko-Rell.

Gotcha...

You all are very knowledged with Nova... good sh**.

Why don't you consider him high herald and why don't you put him on Thors, Surfer, and Supes level?

Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha...

You all are very knowledged with Nova... good sh**.

Why don't you consider him high herald and why don't you put him on Thors, Surfer, and Supes level?

Easy. The other 3 have a laundry list of high herald feats. Nova though not a rookie, is new to the game of herald levelers.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Easy. The other 3 have a laundry list of high herald feats. Nova though not a rookie, is new to the game of herald levelers.

I agree but you have to base things off of the "average" NOT off of high end feats and on average, Nova operate just as good as those 3 (well, I wouldn't include Surfer).

Originally posted by carver9
I agree but you have to base things off of the "average" NOT off of high end feats and on average, Nova operate just as good as those 3 (well, I wouldn't include Surfer).

you just answered ure own question. if you take their averages, the larger amount of high herald feats gives the 3 higher averages.

Btw I don't get u sometimes. You were singing the praises of Thor not too long ago and claiming he is the best of the routinely considered high heralds. Now ure saying "Nova operate just as good as those 3 (well, I wouldn't include Surfer)."

WTH??!?!?!

Originally posted by carver9
I agree but you have to base things off of the "average" NOT off of high end feats and on average, Nova operate just as good as those 3 (well, I wouldn't include Surfer).

It's the head 2 heads that kill him. Dude has the power set of a high herald. His highest feats are certainly worthy of the title. But bottomline, like someone said earlier, head to head with the big dogs count, and as much as I want to, I can't objectively give him that rank.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
you just answered ure own question. if you take their averages, the larger amount of high herald feats gives the 3 higher averages.

Btw I don't get u sometimes. You were singing the praises of Thor not too long ago and claiming he is the best of the routinely considered high heralds. Now ure saying "Nova operate just as good as those 3 (well, I wouldn't include Surfer)."

WTH??!?!?!

Lol... even though I think Thor is above all doesn't mean that people can't be on his level. In a one on one match, I would give Thor 8/10 against both Supes and Gladiator but imo they are still high heralds. Thor is just that good and powerful to me. Just like Nova... in a match, Nova would get his wind pipe crushed by Thor but that still doesn't make him less formidable to the other heralds. Even though I give Glads and Supes the majority against him doesn't place him out of their tier. His powerset along with his physical stats makes him a high herald. If you take away CIS... its a possibility he could possibly pull a majority against Supes and Glads imo.

I didn't answer my question because you are not understanding what "average showings mean. On average, he operates on their level imo.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... even though I think Thor is above all doesn't mean that people can't be on his level. In a one on one match, I would give Thor 8/10 against both Supes and Gladiator but imo they are still high heralds. Thor is just that good and powerful to me. Just like Nova... in a match, Nova would get his wind pipe crushed by Thor but that still doesn't make him less formidable to the other heralds. Even though I give Glads and Supes the majority against him doesn't place him out of their tier. His powerset along with his physical stats makes him a high herald. If you take away CIS... its a possibility he could possibly pull a majority against Supes and Glads imo.

I didn't answer my question because you are not understanding what "average showings mean. On average, he operates on their level imo.

I was talkin about how u just seemingly bumped Surfer above Thor or Supes.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... even though I think Thor is above all doesn't mean that people can't be on his level. In a one on one match, I would give Thor 8/10 against both Supes and Gladiator but imo they are still high heralds. Thor is just that good and powerful to me. Just like Nova... in a match, Nova would get his wind pipe crushed by Thor but that still doesn't make him less formidable to the other heralds. Even though I give Glads and Supes the majority against him doesn't place him out of their tier. His powerset along with his physical stats makes him a high herald. If you take away CIS... its a possibility he could possibly pull a majority against Supes and Glads imo.

I didn't answer my question because you are not understanding what "average showings mean. On average, he operates on their level imo.

Nova is a unique character in that the power level doesn't jibe with the showings. The whole cosmic spiderman thing has to be upheld or whatever. Phucking Brevoort.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I was talkin about how u just seemingly bumped Surfer above Thor or Supes.

Naah, it wasn't a bump up. Thor fights like a brute majority of the time which gives Nova more opportunities than facing someone of Surfer RECENT caliber. Recently, Surfer has been throwing everything at the peeps he is fighting whereas Thor is still fighting in his old fashion state.

Originally posted by dmills
I see it a bit different then that. Power-set per match up matter more to me then anything. For example, I think Nova matches up much better against an average Thor or Supes then he does with an average Surfer. But most people here just look at the names and think of the head to head record vs the best on panel. And on panel against the best, my boy ain't that impressive.

Nova is a unique character in that the power level doesn't jibe with the showings. The whole cosmic spiderman thing has to be upheld or whatever.

Dmills, you look more at versatility than anything. I have been noticing that from you.

I agree though, I think he would match up better against Thor and Supes rather than Surfer.

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