Nova/SuperSkrull vs Gladiator/Ronan

Originally posted by carver9
Dmills, you look more at versatility than anything. I have been noticing that from you.

I agree though, I think he would match up better against Thor and Supes rather than Surfer.

Originally posted by dmills
That certainly plays a huge role for me, but more then anything I look at the match up on a case by case basis. Nova has a power set that allows him to match up well with just about any herald, so in a forum setting he can get lots of cheap wins lol! A lot of ppl don't like it but I'm not obligated to argue a straight up fight all the time. This ain't DBZ. They're playing checkers, I'm playing chess.

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That's real talk lol! That's the way it is. I've tossed back a few so I'm feeling froggy.

Man you don't know how hard it is to be a Nova fan sometimes lol! First of all, thanks in part to marvel, the fan base is arguably the most bitter bunch of tight asses on the planet. And I mean rod buried tight and deep. I swear that these motherphuckers at Marvel take pleasure in phucking with us.

- Vol 1. Nova, after much hoopla finally faces off with his arch enemy, The Sphinx. Fans are like "Aww yeah baby here we go! This is it!" And the sphinx beats the living shyte out of Nova. I mean an absolute wtf stomp. Then later on the damn series ends on a cliff hanger.

Vol.2- 20 years later. Yeah baby here we go! Upgrade! Oops. Ass kicked, powers drained by Supernova, series canceled. Again.

Vol.3- A rotten steamy pile of shyte written by Erik Larsen. Sacrilegious amongst Nova fans.

Vol. 4 Yeah baby, another upgrade! Straight off the heels of Annihilation! Leader of the United Front. Badass war hero! DnA! Starts off great, then before you know it, every goddamned Nova cliche rolled into one. Ass kicked, depowered, repowered, mind controlled, bad writing, canceled.

Secret Avengers! Yeah baby! This mother is moving into the big leagues now! He's a phucking Avenger! Mind controlled, ass beat with his own powers- apparently Captain America is a better Nova then Nova is- and dropped from the team.

Thanos Imperative- Founder of the Annihilators! Going to rescue his girl. Ass beat, shields breached, psionics over powered, world mind devastated, trapped forever in a dead universe with Thanos of all people.

Even in the damn Super Hero Super Squad Show. Nova gets kidnapped by Thanos, depowered, is treated like helpless boy amongst men and has to be rescued by the other heroes. Oh and the Nova corps were decimated. So that's every known Nova cliche featured in the damned cartoon.

Thanks to this, I have to argue with motherphuckers that think the Hulk would overpower gravity. I swear Marvel brass lawlz at us 😂

Originally posted by dmills
That's real talk lol! That's the way it is. I've tossed back a few so I'm feeling froggy.

Man you don't know how hard it is to be a Nova fan sometimes lol! First of all, thanks in part to marvel, the fan base is arguably the most bitter bunch of tight asses on the planet. And I mean rod buried tight and deep. I swear that these motherphuckers at Marvel take pleasure in phucking with us.

- Vol 1. Nova, after much hoopla finally faces off with his arch enemy, The Sphinx. Fans are like "Aww yeah baby here we go! This is it!" And the sphinx beats the living shyte out of Nova. I mean an absolute wtf stomp. Then later on the damn series ends on a cliff hanger.

Vol.2- 20 years later. Yeah baby here we go! Upgrade! Oops. Ass kicked, powers drained by Supernova, series canceled. Again.

Vol.3- A rotten steamy pile of shyte written by Erik Larsen. Sacrilegious amongst Nova fans.

Vol. 4 Yeah baby, another upgrade! Straight off the heels of Annihilation! Leader of the United Front. Badass war hero! DnA! Starts off great, then before you know it, every goddamned Nova cliche rolled into one. Ass kicked, depowered, repowered, mind controlled, bad writing, canceled.

Secret Avengers! Yeah baby! This mother is moving into the big leagues now! He's a phucking Avenger! Mind controlled, ass beat with his own powers- apparently Captain America is a better Nova then Nova is- and dropped from the team.

Thanos Imperative- Founder of the Annihilators! Going to rescue his girl. Ass beat, shields breached, psionics over powered, world mind devastated, trapped forever in a dead universe with Thanos of all people.

Even in the damn Super Hero Show. Nova gets kidnapped by Thanos, depowered, is treated like helpless boy amongst men and has to be rescued by the other heroes. Oh and the Nova corps was decimated. So that's every known Nova cliche featured in the cartoon.

I swear Marvel brass lawlz at us 😂

Has Nova ever been one shotted?

By the way, you all are forgetting ONE major speed feat of Novas. I can't remember the issue number but it was a team up with him and Wolvy and Wolvy was in a factory fighting robots that appeared as earths heros (during the time he lost his adamantium). Wolvy then asks Nova to get help and within seconds, he fly around united states screaming through windows and leaving message saying that Wolvy needed help.

I'm pretty sure and feel safe to say that's a light speed feat.

I would also like to add that you underate Nova.

Originally posted by carver9
Has Nova ever been one shotted?

By the way, you all are forgetting ONE major speed feat of Novas. I can't remember the issue number but it was a team up with him and Wolvy and Wolvy was in a factory fighting robots that appeared as earths heros (during the time he lost his adamantium). Wolvy then asks Nova to get help and within seconds, he fly around united states screaming through windows and leaving message saying that Wolvy needed help.

I'm pretty sure and feel safe to say that's a light speed feat.

I would also like to add that you underate Nova.

Originally posted by dmills
In straight combat? No. Never been one shotted, never been ko'd. At least not by physical force that I can recall. Not even by trans level beings. Very few heralds can say that.

And this is why I say he is a high herald. Nova is a beast.

Originally posted by carver9
And this is why I say he is a high herald. Nova is a beast.

Originally posted by dmills
That just means he's a tough bastard with a hellava chin.

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You see, this is what I am talking about.

Originally posted by carver9
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You see, this is what I am talking about.

Originally posted by dmills
I hear ya man. Couple of things.

1) The Nova v Glads fight took place in the very first issue of vol.2. Nova was just coming into his own as a centurion and hadn't fully come to grips with his new power.

2) That fight was nearly 20 years ago. Novas's a hell of a lot more powerful now then he was back then.

3) The "fight" with Norrin was a non fight with neither going balls out. Surfer got a shot in, Nova got a shot in and they grappled till they hit planetside. Surfer came across as a badass and all, but Rich was unscathed and ready to go. No *objective* conclusion can be made from that. The hyperbole was in favor of Norrin though.

Furthermore Norrin is a member of the trinity. A highest of high herald character along with Thor and Supes. Nova ain't on that level. No shame in a "lose" to one of those 3. They kick everyone's ass.

2)I understand that which is why I stated normally until recently he wasn't in Gladiator's tier of power.

3)The fight made it clear Norrin controlled it and was clearly not only superior but far superior to Norrin. I think anyone being objective can see that much from their brief skirmish.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1)I knew it was a long time ago.

2)I understand that which is why I stated normally until recently he wasn't in Gladiator's tier of power.

3)The fight made it clear Norrin controlled it and was clearly not only superior but far superior to Norrin. I think anyone being objective can see that much from their brief skirmish.

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The Surfer is a bad match up for Nova all around so I won't protest. Though I must say that its interesting how much conjecture based goodwill you allow Norrin in that skirmish considering your stance on the Thanos vs Odin fight, which was very similar to the Surfer/Nova *fight*. We all gotta do what we gotta do I suppose.

Nevertheless, I think that the gap between them -Surfer/Nova- was a lot smaller by the time TI came around. Aside from Thanos, Nova was the only character to display enough power to permanently put down beings inside of the Cancerverse.

Originally posted by dmills
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The Surfer is a bad match up for Nova all around so I won't protest. Though I must say that this is interesting coming from you considering your stance on the Thanos vs Odin fight, which was very similar to the Surfer Nova *fight*.

Nevertheless, I think that the gap between them -Surfer/Nova- was a lot smaller by the time TI came around. Aside from Thanos, Nova was the only character to display enough power to permanently put down beings inside of the Cancerverse.

Originally posted by 753
IIRC they could be killed oncee they entered the 616, it just took a lot of killing like the equivalent energy to kill 5 616 beings.

Originally posted by dmills
Nova oneshotted the Revengers. (But for full disclosure, he doesn't usually access *that* much Nova Force.)

Originally posted by 753
was it in the cancerverse? when was this?

Originally posted by dmills
The little demon like creatures could be killed in the 616. The Revengers, Offenders were practically unkillable even in 616 space, and all but indestructible inside of the cancerverse. Thanos was able to one-shot the Offenders, Nova oneshotted the Revengers. (But for full disclosure, he doesn't usually access *that* much Nova Force.)

Originally posted by dmills
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The Surfer is a bad match up for Nova all around so I won't protest. Though I must say that its interesting how much conjecture based goodwill you allow Norrin in that skirmish considering your stance on the Thanos vs Odin fight, which was very similar to the Surfer/Nova *fight*. We all gotta do what we gotta do I suppose.

Nevertheless, I think that the gap between them -Surfer/Nova- was a lot smaller by the time TI came around. Aside from Thanos, Nova was the only character to display enough power to permanently put down beings inside of the Cancerverse.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Except in the Odin/Thanos fight Odin admitted he was actively trying to kill him whereas the Surfer situation isn't comparable at all to this.

That being said team 2 still wins.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
The only thing Odin ever said thats close to "I want to kill you" is "your doom is assured". Doom doesn't nessicarily mean death. And Odin isn't exactly one to kill.

That being said team 2 still wins.

Ask your english teacher if you don't believe me.

Originally posted by dmills
Yep. TI 6 towards the end of the issue.