Darkseid/Orion/Wonder Woman vs Zeus/Hulk fist fight

Originally posted by She-Ra-La
Batman had Orion's wife's new God tech. How do you think he survived the cosmic winter Desaad rained down on him? Hello??? He had tech. He was amped. You also completely ignored the fact that DS didn't have his omegas most of the story, and not only got blasted by Highfather's staff while depowered, he also had to fight to regain the control of the Omegas. This in no way shows a tip top DS at all.

DS has always been shown to use all or most of his energy when exerting himself against Superior beings.

Oh and DD was killed not by some Kryptonians. But like dozens of them. That isn't a single being. I said name someone besides DS who has immobilized or KO'd DD long enough to walk away from him. NO ONE BUT DS. You can try to walk around the issue all you want.

Name a few instances because most writers let you know when his energy is used up he didn't get the chance to use it against DD because in a fist fight he has no chance. This is a fist fight where he can't use his powers and Zeus is here. Zeus is somebody who'd break DD in half most likely if he ever came to Plympus so what's he going to do to Darkseid ?

Ds buried him under rubble that isn't koing him or anywhere near it. Yes, there were more than 3 but the point is they beat the life from him and even Superman himself has lasted longer against DD than two panels.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Provide a page number where he was amped for this.

Name a few instances because most writers let you know when his energy is used up he didn't get the chance to use it against DD because in a fist fight he has no chance. This is a fist fight where he can't use his powers and Zeus is here. Zeus is somebody who'd break DD in half most likely if he ever came to Plympus so what's he going to do to Darkseid ?

Ds buried him under rubble that isn't koing him or anywhere near it. Yes, there were more than 3 but the point is they beat the life from him and even Superman himself has lasted longer against DD than two panels.

And it doesn't matter if it states on panel DS energy being used up or not. You see that he exerted himself. And later on in the story, He one Shotted Cyborg Superman, something, not even Amped Superman has ever been able to do. No one in history has ever immobilized or KO'd DD enough to walk away but DS. That fact keeps eluding you and you keep trying to make it like that isn't a feat when it is.

Originally posted by She-Ra-La
You go around the points you cannot defend and then make blanket statements based purely upon conjecture or fanboyism. Zeus would likely not break HP doomsday as he was very resistant to everything thrown at him except Entropy. Also, BATMAN HAD NEW GOD TECH. That is an amp. I don't need to provide a page number. You know he had the tech. Orion's wife gave it to him.

And it doesn't matter if it states on panel DS energy being used up or not. You see that he exerted himself. And later on in the story, He one Shotted Cyborg Superman, something, not even Amped Superman has ever been able to do. No one in history has ever immobilized or KO'd DD enough to walk away but DS. That fact keeps eluding you and you keep trying to make it like that isn't a feat when it is.

When did the tech amp his physical stats ? Seriously.

The point is hand to hand Ds can't hang very long without his omega beams which are his crutch. Zeus is far superior to him. Zeus breaks him faster than DD. I could care less about you making up he was exerted you can't prove it you know you're wrong so move along.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. The writer of hp even stated Superman would beat him by physical means alone had he tossed aside his good guy routine. The reason entropy was used was to break the cycle and so he couldn't come back.

When did the tech amp his physical stats ? Seriously.

The point is hand to hand Ds can't hang very long without his omega beams which are his crutch. Zeus is far superior to him. Zeus breaks him faster than DD. I could care less about you making up he was exerted you can't prove it you know you're wrong so move along.

Originally posted by She-Ra-La
DS omegas are his crutch? How come he didn't use his omegas when he owned Orion, Mr. Miracle, and Firestorm? How come he didn't use his omegas when he beat the crap out of New God powered Jimmy Olsen? How come he didn't use the Omegas when he beat the crap out Lobo? Ug. I could go on and on. Superman has never beaten DS by physical means alone. Never. always with DS own energy, or a sun amp. Never one on one. Ever.

Lobo hurt his hand on his jaw which seems inconsistent to how Darkseid is portrayed currently as opposed to years ago when that was written.

Ds always uses his own energy so it's his fault Superman doesn't dare him into blasting him but Supes usually beats him up mainly due to his fists.

This is all immaterial to DD beating him physically in two panels. I see Zeus doing it with two punches, honestly.

Originally posted by GRIMNIR
Who is physically strongest between

Darkseid
Orion
Wonder Woman
Superman
Hercules
Zeus
Hulk

😕

Strongest in order
1. Zeus
2. Orion
3. Superman
4. Darkseid
5 Hercules
6. Hulk
7. Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Strongest in order
1. Zeus
2. Orion
3. Superman
4. Darkseid
5 Hercules
6. Hulk
7. Wonder Woman

Orion and Superman are the same physically. Darksied is stronger than Both as he has physical wins on both. Niether Orion or Super have clean physical wins. Hulk is stronger than Herc. Wonder Woman is also stronger than Herc. Zeus has no strength feats. Beating Hulk only makes him stronger than Hulk. Every one on this list could beat Hulk.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So one instance of him using other powers than beating someone up proves your case ? Are you serious ?
Olsen lacked experience and he altered his size to deal with a newsboy with new powers that's not very convincing.

Lobo hurt his hand on his jaw which seems inconsistent to how Darkseid is portrayed currently as opposed to years ago when that was written.

Ds always uses his own energy so it's his fault Superman doesn't dare him into blasting him but Supes usually beats him up mainly due to his fists.

This is all immaterial to DD beating him physically in two panels. I see Zeus doing it with two punches, honestly.

DD was superior to an amped Superman and the trans powered Waverider. DS also still is the only being in comics to immobilize DD enough to walk away and give a who monologue afterwards. You refuse to address the truth of this.

Originally posted by She-Ra-La
This is all wrong.

Orion and Superman are the same physically. Darksied is stronger than Both as he has physical wins on both. Niether Orion or Super have clean physical wins. Hulk is stronger than Herc. Wonder Woman is also stronger than Herc. Zeus has no strength feats. Beating Hulk only makes him stronger than Hulk. Every one on this list could beat Hulk.

WW is not taking or 50% against Hulk. He beats her 8 out of 10xs. Everyone else on that list beats hulk 9/10 times. WW is not in the rest of those guys league her and hulk are on the bottom. You maybe right about Zeus him beating Hulk is no great feat.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
WW is not taking or 50% against Hulk. He beats her 8 out of 10xs. Everyone else on that list beats hulk 9/10 times. WW is not in the rest of those guys league her and hulk are on the bottom.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I agree... I'm not an expert when it comes to Orion like Prep man is BUT I feel safe to say that he is around Thor level physically which makes my statement correct. Thor has been stalemated physically by Savage Hulk and Savage Hulk is in Supes/Thor/Orions league and WWH is far above Savage Hulk strength wise per Hulk/Reed/Professor X/ Tony and Doctor Strange caculations.

Current Hulk is stronger than Orion and how easily Orion was dismissed by Doomsday, I think Current Hulk durability is above him as well (I think savage Hulk is stronger than him as well).

I think he may be a little stronger. Mabye just cuz hes a lot cooler.

Originally posted by She-Ra-La
You are absolutely great at dodging and deflecting. I commend you. What you are not good at is confronting the issues head on. Superman has never beaten DS without DS own energy as a matter of fact, DS has always been shown as beating Superman in hand to hand until DS shoots himself. If Mike Tyson where kicking my ass, and then shot himself in the foot with a gun, and then I kicked his ass, I couldn't claim I beat him. That is basically what you are doing to Superman. Superman was getting his ass handed to him everytime before DS shot himself. Address this point. Without DS hurting himself, there is no way to physically best him by Superman level beings.

DD was superior to an amped Superman and the trans powered Waverider. DS also still is the only being in comics to immobilize DD enough to walk away and give a who monologue afterwards. You refuse to address the truth of this.

Actually, he wasn't getting his ass kicked he was holding his own.

DD beat him in two panels after he thought him dead when in fact he was buried underneath rubble.

Guys, don't respond to socks/banned accounts please.

Or Quan. durno

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Strongest in order
1. Zeus
2. Orion
3. Superman
4. Darkseid
5 Hercules
6. Hulk
7. Wonder Woman

I would say for overall powers it be

Darkseid, Orion and Zeus
Superman and Wonder Woman
Hulk and Hercules

Strength

Hulk
Superman
Wonder Woman and Hercules
Zeus Darkseid and Orion

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, don't respond to socks/banned accounts please.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What about replying to people we hope will be banned in the near future? 😛

Pfft, I do that all the time.

Originally posted by GRIMNIR
I would say for overall powers it be

Darkseid, Orion and Zeus
Superman and Wonder Woman
Hulk and Hercules

Strength

Hulk
Superman
Wonder Woman and Hercules
Zeus Darkseid and Orion

You think Orion is the weakest of everyone. I may have downplayed hulk some, but orion is a beast. WW is the weak link here. Why do you think orion is the weakest?

Orion isn't in the same ballpark as DS or Zeus

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Orion isn't in the same ballpark as DS or Zeus

He has him listed as the weakest in strength. Orion is stronger than ww and hercules and is in my opinion a little bit stronger than Superman.