Darkseid/Orion/Wonder Woman vs Zeus/Hulk fist fight

Apokolips is bigger due to it being on a different plane of existence but 99% of the time when someone enters the New God's dimension, they are the same size. Unless someone specifies that it's the New God dimension Darkseid and a being from the regular Universe, it doesn't matter. Meaning, using Darkseid moving Apokolips and then trying to make it more impressive due to the scale New Gods operate on won't fly. Not in claims of superiority. Just like claiming Superman survived two incredibly large planets colliding instead of two regular Earth sized planets makes him superior to another peer. It doesn't matter. If someone is comparable to Superman durability wise or Darkseid psionic energy wise, when moved to the New God dimension, they'll perform the same feats.

Not sure if I explained myself very well.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Apokolips is bigger due to it being on a different plane of existence but 99% of the time when someone enters the New God's dimension, they are the same size. Unless someone specifies that it's the New God dimension Darkseid and a being from the regular Universe, it doesn't matter. Meaning, using Darkseid moving Apokolips and then trying to make it more impressive due to the scale New Gods operate on won't fly. Not in claims of superiority. Just like claiming Superman survived two incredibly large planets colliding instead of two regular Earth sized planets makes him superior to another peer. It doesn't matter. If someone is comparable to Superman durability wise or Darkseid psionic energy wise, when moved to the New God dimension, they'll perform the same feats.

Not sure if I explained myself very well.

I think people get it, but scale is one thing magnitude is another thing entirely. Even if Supes is scaled to match the New Gods, the mass of the planets in question is greater than anything he'd face with two planets from the normal universe.

I get that, but his size in turn with his power -comics being what they are- would mean my point still stands.

Throw in a being whose a physical rival in direct representation such as Captain Marvel in the situation, and I think he would almost as well. Which is my ultimately my main point.

Yes and no (you don't). Yes, his power might have increased in proportion to his size. And no, because while I agree that Cpt. Marvel or someone similar might be able to replicate such a feat, it is not anyone else's but Supes.

Originally posted by Allankles
Yes and no (you don't). Yes, his power might have increased in proportion to his size. And no, because while I agree that Cpt. Marvel or someone similar [b]might be able to replicate such a feat, it is not anyone else's but Supes. [/B]

Superman's powers obviously increase in proportion to his size. Otherwise, why are their no notable differences between Superman's performances on New Genesis and Earth? Apokolips Now was on Apokolips IIRC, and even in that story, Superman stalemated Orion on New Genesis and Darkseid admitted to Superman being his physical equal. It's just how comics work.

Based on how the boom tube technology works from what I've seen, if someone is considered a physical equal to Superman, they would have fared just as well.

How characters fare against each other or compare doesn't change when they enter the New God dimension. They simply work on a bigger scale. And since from what I've seen battles either happen in their dimension or don't, it doesn't matter in the end.

That's all I have to say on the matter really. Unless you have some information I've missed or forgotten about.

the fourth world is just a greater plane, it's clear that new gods aren't leagues more powerful physically when they come to earth

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman's powers obviously increase in proportion to his size. Otherwise, why are their no notable differences between Superman's performances on New Genesis and Earth? Apokolips Now was on Apokolips IIRC, and even in that story, Superman stalemated Orion on New Genesis and Darkseid admitted to Superman being his physical equal. It's just how comics work.

Based on how the boom tube technology works from what I've seen, if someone is considered a physical equal to Superman, they would have fared just as well.

How characters fare against each other or compare doesn't change when they enter the New God dimension. They simply work on a bigger scale. And since from what I've seen battles either happen in their dimension or don't, it doesn't matter in the end.

That's all I have to say on the matter really. Unless you have some information I've missed or forgotten about.

You're arguing two points, one of which I had no issue with. Yeah the tubes do increase Supes power in proportion to his size, since his battles in that dimension go the same as they would on the regular dimensions. We're in agreement there.

However, the feat in question even with scale put into the equation is still more impressive than having two regular dimension worlds colliding into him. We're talking an entirely greater mass, the sheer magnitude of the force and mass he faces there would dwarf anything he'd experience with regular universe planets.

How proportional his power increase is to the mass of the planets is besides the point, which is that, the incident was a great durability feat for Supes, regardless of other measurable or immeasurable factors.

Originally posted by Allankles
You're arguing two points, one of which I had no issue with. Yeah the tubes do increase Supes power in proportion to his size, since his battles in that dimension go the same as they would on the regular dimensions. We're in agreement there.

However, the feat in question even with scale put into the equation is still more impressive than having two regular dimension worlds colliding into him. We're talking an entirely greater mass, the sheer magnitude of the force and mass he faces there would dwarf anything he'd experience with regular universe planets.

How proportional his power increase is to the mass of the planets is besides the point, which is that, the incident was a great durability feat for Supes, regardless of other measurable or immeasurable factors.

Okay, that's cool.

I'm not and never have claimed that it's not impressive or anything of the sort. My point is that it's all relative. If Surfer survives two Earth sized planets colliding into him next week, that feat will be as impressive as what Superman did.

Understand?

I just don't want anyone using the higher scale of the New God dimension to overhype feats down the road or place them on an illogical pedastal like this thread was about to start to.

It's not overhyping the feat, since we know it has a greater mass and surface area to Earth. We also don't assume that the NGs scale with their planets proportionally to Humans with Earth. We know generally that even in our own solar system other planets exceed Earth for size and mass.

So even considering scale it could feel like having two Earthlike Jupiter sized planets smashing into him, or it could be more or possibly less.

One thing we do know is that their mass is far greater than Earth's, meaning that even if we take scale into consideration, magnitude alone makes its more impressive.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
New Gods are not affected by or subject to our understanding of temporal causality.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the fourth world is just a greater plane, it's clear that new gods aren't leagues more powerful physically when they come to earth

Because of the boom tube. We saw what happened when a full scale new god entered in FC.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Because of the boom tube. We saw what happened when a full scale new god entered in FC.

Some vague statement from Barry about him dragging the multiverse down in issue 3. But thats it.

so if superman can fight darkseid in the fourth world, and can certainly light darkseid up on earth, would the boom tube in essence "de-power" new gods who descend (so to speak) to earth?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
so if superman can fight darkseid in the fourth world, and can certainly light darkseid up on earth, would the boom tube in essence "de-power" new gods who descend (so to speak) to earth?

For example, libra came from earth to Apokalips without a boom tube.

what issue was that again?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
what issue was that again?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Wait...then what about those that travel between New genesis and Earth without a Boom tube?

For example, libra came from earth to Apokalips without a boom tube.

And you clearly need to reread FC. 😬

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Wait...then what about those that travel between New genesis and Earth without a Boom tube?

For example, libra came from earth to Apokalips without a boom tube.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Libra is not a new god. And do you recall how Libra got to the 4th world? His consciousness was scattered to the universe, until DS ordered Desaad to reconstitute him.

And you clearly need to reread FC. 😬