"He Could Even Keep the Ones He Cared About From Dying"

Carth disagrees about everything. Always.

Truth.

KotOR 2 also sucked.

Hmm...

Untruth.

Originally posted by Zampanó
Carth would disagree. Everyone involved in the Mandalorian War itself would disagree. It is only after the Sith show up that it is considered a mistake at all.

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure Carths position in the game is 'Revan and Malak ****ing suuuuuck!' The Sith did bomb his planet and indoctrinate his son afterall. Though I admit I can't remember much of it, I think you talk to him about Revan and Malak joining the war at one point.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Untruth.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure Carths position in the game is 'Revan and Malak ****ing suuuuuck!' The Sith did bomb his planet and indoctrinate his son afterall. Though I admit I can't remember much of it, I think you talk to him about Revan and Malak joining the war at one point.

Retruthed. It sucked.

Gameplay sucked. Story and Characters were the winiest.

Carth was all for Revan and Malak during the war, it's when they invaded that he started hating them.

Well yeah, so I wonder if he thinks them joining in the war was justified or not. Sure it beat the Mando's, but it spawned the Sith, which I recall him saying were worse than the Mando's ever were.

It's two separate events. He was all for the Jedi not being bitches and going to war. He was not all for the Jedi turning into Sith and ****ing up the galaxy. You can't really combine the two. Like, at best it would be "I supported Revan and Malak going to war, they did what none of the other Jedi wanted to do. In hindsight, that didn't end too well though."

I don't see how you can seperate the events myself. One leads into the other. The entire reason why the Jedi didn't enter the war was becuase doing so could lead them right to Revan's position, sparking an even larger war.

Well, I explained how they're separate events... so read above. 😐

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't see how you can seperate the events myself. One leads into the other. The entire reason why the Jedi didn't enter the war was becuase doing so could lead them right to Revan's position, sparking an even larger war.

Revan and KOTOR proved that a complacent and arrogant/ignorant jedi council coincides with the rise(again) of the sith followed by galactic war..

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
[B]How is that "a different spin"? It sounds almost exactly the same.

"Young child is emotionally scarred.

Anakin was never emotionally scarred at a young age.

Hell, neither was Luke.

Young child grows up to become mentally unstable.

Luke isn't mentally unstable.

Unstable man becomes over protective of loved ones.

Of one single person, in Anakin's case.

Unstable man performs extremely rash decisions in an attempt to save loved ones, unwittingly ****ing them in the process."

Pretty sure Anakin knew he was ****ing up Padme when he was choking her.

And KOTOR 1 is completely unoriginal. KOTOR ii had some nice new ideas though.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
[B]Anakin was never emotionally scarred at a young age.

He was a slave who grew up with no Father... and was also a slave.

Of one single person, in Anakin's case.

ermm

Pretty sure Anakin knew he was ****ing up Padme when he was choking her.

Not referring to the choking.

And KOTOR 1 is completely unoriginal. KOTOR ii had some nice new ideas though.

KOTOR's storyline bored me. Treya's one of the least interesting characters in the mythos, to me.

Well, thats just cuz you suck.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well, thats just cuz you suck.

Even the parts about determinism/existentialism are cop outs; the gist of existentialism is that you get to pick your own path, but she bitches at you no matter which path you pick. She's all about knowing the unknowable consequences of your actions, but doesn't look at your own motivations. The whole storyline is, in fact, instigated by her, rather than the protagonist. Talk about irony. It was an interesting area to look at, but not one that is easily examined by a video game that is necessarily driven by the free will of the player.

Also she was a shit combatant.

she was crazy lame.

Also she was a shit combatant.

Really? She was always in my party due to the force bond giving me all her buffs. Really useful ability I found, it enabled me to ignore them for the most part and focus on dealing MASSIVE DAMAGE.

She's boring

Subjective.

and preachy

Again, subjective, you can't say she's a crap character just because you didn't like her. Besides, she is your mom*, she's supposed to be preachy.

*metaphisikally.

and heavy handed.

Lol, did we play the same game?

Even the parts about determinism/existentialism are cop outs; the gist of existentialism is that you get to pick your own path, but she bitches at you no matter which path you pick.

I personally found that a really interesting contradiction. That she wants you to be a totally free manipulative bastard and hates the Force for taking away free will, but acts like an even bigger manipulative bastard in order to force you to do what she wants you to do.

She's all about knowing the unknowable consequences of your actions, but doesn't look at your own motivations.

What motivations? The times when she calls you on this you're either being Jesus cuz its the right thing to do, or being a dick for teh luls. Unless you want her to actually just go, 'you're only doing that to max out your alignment, you prick.' You're already called out on your exp points and other various gameplay mechanics, how much more meta do you want this game to get?

she was crazy lame.

The poor taste up in here is really shocking.

She would have been an interesting character if her motives were clear from the start. But as it was, you had to navigate the frustrating influence system in order to drag out her story. And to do that you have put up with endless conversations on morality, existentialism, the Force, cynicism, etc. And all in the most cryptic way possible. Kreia was easily the most annoying and frustrating character in either game, and yes, I do put her above Carth, Bastila, Mission, Zaalbar, and Visas.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
[B]He was a slave who grew up with no Father... and was also a slave.

Being a "slave" huh? A slave who can do pretty much anything he wants.

Oh the horror. I guess Anakin really did have it rougher than Cade who saw his family and friends murdered.

Not referring to the choking.

I have no idea what you mean then.

And who cares about Kreia. I was talking about Nihilus and Sion when it came to new and nice ideas.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
[B]A slave who can do pretty much anything he wants.

According to what? We saw like, a day in his life, and there ulterior circumstances.

That being said, seeing Shmii's fate gave us a taste as what it means to be a slave in Tatooine. Being sold to a fat, legless guy and eventually being dragged off to be raped by Arabs in masks seems to be the fate of slaves on Tatooine.

I have no idea what you mean then.

Oh... you know... slaughtering the jedi order, killing children and turning the Galaxy over to a mad man, all in an attempt to keep her from dying, and make the galaxy a safer place. He was genuinely surprised when Padme scolded him for his actions on Mustafar instead of going along with his idea that he'd made the Galaxy a better place, which is what led to the choking out in the first place.

Obviously, he was pretty far gone.

Yeah, considering he had enough time to build a pod-racer and a protocol droid by the time he was 10 (?), as well as actually having a decent-sized house, being a slave doesn't seem to have been that bad for Anakin. One of the essential failings of TPM, imo.

Mission

Mission's cool sir. crackers

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Being a "slave" huh? A slave who can do pretty much anything he wants.

Oh the horror. I guess Anakin really did have it rougher than Cade who saw his family and friends murdered.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Oh... you know... slaughtering the jedi order, killing children and turning the Galaxy over to a mad man, all in an attempt to keep her from dying, and make the galaxy a safer place. He was genuinely surprised when Padme scolded him for his actions on Mustafar instead of going along with his idea that he'd made the Galaxy a better place, which is what led to the choking out in the first place.

Obviously, he was pretty far gone. [/B]

That's not really comparable at all to what happened in Legacy though. I guess they're kinda similar insofar as you're willing to go to extreme lengths to keep someoen you care about from dying. But killing some nameless people so you can get a technique to keep a person alive is not the same as what Cade did. Not at all.

Cade actually has the power to save people from death. It's just Azlyn wanted to move on. Cade forcing the person he loves, who wanted to die, to stay alive in a limbo of half-life/half-death, is far more grim.