"He Could Even Keep the Ones He Cared About From Dying"

Nameless people? 😐

I wasn't aware people he'd grown up with almost his entire life were nameless people. The Jedi were essentially his family, and many of them were the only friends he had.

They're the same thing unless you're being pedantic. And Cade's actions are not nearly as incredulous as Anakin's were. Cade screwed one girl over for the sake of his desires. Anakin ****ed over the entire galaxy for the sake of his desires, killed his father figure, and murdered the one person who brought him happiness, Padme, and nearly killed his two unborn children in the process. Trillions of people's unahppiness were on his hands, due to his actions in Return of the Sith.

actually, he would have successfully brought peace to his new empire if it weren't for the stupid rebels....

I mean, as we said, the galaxy was a more peaceful place when Sidious was running it.

The Rebellion didn't start the... rebellion, on that one planet that was so bad that Tarkin decided to land his Star Destroyer on them, which ended up killing like a million people.

Which of course means that the Galaxy actually wasn't that peaceful. There were multiple Rebellions, it's just that none of them became as powerful as "The" Rebellion. There was the Wookiee enslavement, as well as a few other conflicts.

So, yah. Not really all that peaceful. There just weren't any outright wars, besides the fight with the Rebellion.

But regardless, "it was peaceful if it wasn't for the Rebels" is an odd statement to make. The Republic(s) were all peaceful if not for the Vong, Mandalorians, and Sith. There is always just one large faction that ****s it up for the ruling regime in Star Wars. Just goes to show you how basically nothing ever changes in the multi-millenial Star Wars mythos.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Nameless people? 😐

I wasn't aware people he'd grown up with almost his entire life were nameless people. The Jedi were essentially his family, and many of them were the only friends he had.

They're the same thing unless you're being pedantic. And Cade's actions are not nearly as incredulous as Anakin's were. Cade screwed one girl over for the sake of his desires. Anakin ****ed over the entire galaxy for the sake of his desires, killed his father figure, and murdered the one person who brought him happiness, Padme, and nearly killed his two unborn children in the process. Trillions of people's unahppiness were on his hands, due to his actions in Return of the Sith.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
So, yah. Not really all that peaceful.

she was the hottest woman I saw in the galaxy, to be honest.

Ahsoka.

Originally posted by truejedi
she was the hottest woman I saw in the galaxy, to be honest.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Nameless people? 😐

I wasn't aware people he'd grown up with almost his entire life were nameless people. The Jedi were essentially his family, and many of them were the only friends he had.

I highly doubt Anakin knew every Jedi. In fact, even the ones he did know, he didn't really like if hi sinteraction with the Council is any indication.

They're the same thing unless you're being pedantic. And Cade's actions are not nearly as incredulous as Anakin's were. Cade screwed one girl over for the sake of his desires. Anakin ****ed over the entire galaxy for the sake of his desires, killed his father figure, and murdered the one person who brought him happiness,

You're not getting this. Like, at all.

They died. Boohoo. Padme would rather die and abandon her children.

All those people are now happier and better off.

Cade actually enslaved and imposed his will on a girl he cared about out of a misguided attempt to keep her alive. He has damned her in an living hell.

That's far darker and more grim than anything Emokin ever did.

Padme, and nearly killed his two unborn children in the process. Trillions of people's unahppiness were on his hands, due to his actions in Return of the Sith.

A million is a statistic. Trillions of people died in the Vong War.

Were their deaths mourned by the readers to the extent of say, Anakin's?

Named characters are important for a reason. They're the ones you're supposed to care or empathize with. They're the ones you have the strongest feelings for.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
[B]Essentially every evil act the Empire ever commits can be attributed to Anakin's valuing Padme more than... anyone else in the galaxy. That includes Alderaan.

No. Just no. That doesn't make any sense at all.

Tell me this. What would be different had Palpatine just flung Anakin's ass out the window along with Windu?

Could he not execute Order 66? The Jedi still "rebelled". He still had the 501st to assault the hardly defended Temple. He could still reshape the Republic into the Empire.

Anakin is completely superflous. The Empire would be formed with or without his turning.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
A million is a statistic. Trillions of people died in the Vong War.

Were their deaths mourned by the readers to the extent of say, Anakin's?

Wow. Just... wow. Good job, man. You've really missed the point.

I created a discussion for something like this a long time ago. Consider the fact that while Luke destroyed the evil empire, he brought far more death and destruction to the galaxy than the Empire ever could. The discussion then went into whether or not it would have been better for Luke to do what he did or for the Empire to continue existing. I opted for the latter, the lesser of two evils.

Jesus.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
No. Just no. That doesn't make any sense at all.

Tell me this. What would be different had Palpatine just flung Anakin's ass out the window along with Windu?

Could he not execute Order 66? The Jedi still "rebelled". He still had the 501st to assault the hardly defended Temple. He could still reshape the Republic into the Empire.

Anakin is completely superflous. The Empire would be formed with or without his turning.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I hate to ask, considering the topic, but... did you even see RotS? There was a point in the movie where Palpatine was literally about to die at Windu's hand, but Anakin intervened for the purpose of gaining the power to save his wife. His desire for her to live literally led to the formation of Palpatine's Empire.

I think he means that Palpatine's obsession with Anakin was superfluous and ultimately inconsequential to his greater agenda. I'd agree, but you're also right: Anakin's actions in the Chancellor's office sealed the galaxy's fate.

Palpatine was also only in that compromising situation because of his faith in Anakin.

I'm not saying he threw the fight. I'm saying he saw no reason to have any protection or anything special because he knew Anakin would come.

Anakin saved Palpatine because that's what Palpatine wanted.

Originally posted by Noedig
I think he means that Palpatine's obsession with Anakin was superfluous and ultimately inconsequential to his greater agenda. I'd agree, but you're also right: Anakin's actions in the Chancellor's office sealed the galaxy's fate.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Palpatine was also only in that compromising situation because of his faith in Anakin.

I'm not saying he threw the fight. I'm saying he saw no reason to have any protection or anything special because he knew Anakin would come.

Anakin saved Palpatine because that's what Palpatine wanted.

Originally posted by Noedig
I think he means that Palpatine's obsession with Anakin was superfluous and ultimately inconsequential to his greater agenda. I'd agree, but you're also right: Anakin's actions in the Chancellor's office sealed the galaxy's fate.

I've got this, nugga.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I think he meant that too. The guy doesn't seem to bright; I don't know how he managed to muddle so many things.

Seems bright to me!

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Palpatine was also only in that compromising situation because of his faith in Anakin.

I'm not saying he threw the fight. I'm saying he saw no reason to have any protection or anything special because he knew Anakin would come.

Anakin saved Palpatine because that's what Palpatine wanted.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And it's also what Anakin wanted. One swing from Windu and Palpatine's dead. Anakin intervened and saved the Sith's life for his own selfish desires. An hour later he's systematically slaughtering his surrogate family and a bunch of children. Later still he's cutting down unarmed people and trying to kill his best friend and mentor (and succeeded in killing his wife, the primary motivation behind all of this). That is one f*cked up dude. Cade's got nothing on this nutjob.

You're under the mistaken belief that death is the worst thing imaginable it seems.

I can tell you right now, most of the people Anakin killed wee not under that belief. They were ready to die and join with The Force.

It's the Jedi creed - whatever happens, it is because The Force wills it.

Is what Anakin did horrible? Undoubtedly.

Is it as horrible on a personal level as what Cade did? Not even close.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I created a discussion for something like this a long time ago. Consider the fact that while Luke destroyed the evil empire, he brought far more death and destruction to the galaxy than the Empire ever could. The discussion then went into whether or not it would have been better for Luke to do what he did or for the Empire to continue existing. I opted for the latter, the lesser of two evils.

Based on mainstream EU and what we see in the movies, agreed.

But taking into account of what we know from the Emperor's greater plans for the galaxyuniverse from the Dark Empire Sourcebook, I ain't so sure.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
You're under the mistaken belief that death is the worst thing imaginable it seems.

I can tell you right now, most of the people Anakin killed wee not under that belief. They were ready to die and join with The Force.

It's the Jedi creed - whatever happens, it is because The Force wills it.

Is what Anakin did horrible? Undoubtedly.

Is it as horrible on a personal level as what Cade did? Not even close.

Anyone else wanna try?