The Jsa/JLa crossover recently gave Scott some (needed) cred as Sentinel. Technically we can't assume all of those levels with him in a forum battle, but it reframed his power levels quite a bit. Not many heroes could credibly act as a villain to both teams.
I may still have Surfer here, but it's an interesting discussion. Alan's raw power seems greater, but he's also more vulnerable to certain attacks from Surfer.
Originally posted by Digi
The Jsa/JLa crossover recently gave Scott some (needed) cred as Sentinel. Technically we can't assume all of those levels with him in a forum battle, but it reframed his power levels quite a bit. Not many heroes could credibly act as a villain to both teams.I may still have Surfer here, but it's an interesting discussion. Alan's raw power seems greater, but he's also more vulnerable to certain attacks from Surfer.
He easily possed the likes of Dr. Fate as well. And now has full access to the Starheart.
I'm not sure what "full access" means, Prep-Man. What has he done to justify such a statement since the crossover? Besides get his ass beat by Scythe, who apparently is yet another team-killer who can cripple beings made of energy (as Alan is, apparently, according to the doctors).
Anyway, he has to keep the Starheart in check, which I think actually limits his power (if I understood him correctly). Letting sh*t loose, which is technically viable in a forum setting, seems like his best bet.
Punking Fate also isn't a HH feat recently, with this new guy under the helmet. We can't discount the Starheart energy manhandling entire teams in the crossover, but there's a bit more to it than that. Scott himself can still have his concentration disrupted, making him vulnerable to Surfer's attacks. Alan would need to throw the book at him damn fast to avoid that.
Originally posted by DigiQuite honestly I think if he starheart blasted full strength and didn't worry about consequences he could very well put down Surfer in one shot let alone adding in constructs or a construct armor.
I'm not sure what "full access" means, Prep-Man. What has he done to justify such a statement since the crossover? Besides get his ass beat by Scythe, who apparently is yet another team-killer who can cripple beings made of energy (as Alan is, apparently, according to the doctors).Anyway, he has to keep the Starheart in check, which I think actually limits his power (if I understood him correctly). Letting sh*t loose, which is technically viable in a forum setting, seems like his best bet.
Punking Fate also isn't a HH feat recently, with this new guy under the helmet. We can't discount the Starheart energy manhandling entire teams in the crossover, but there's a bit more to it than that. Scott himself can still have his concentration disrupted, making him vulnerable to Surfer's attacks. Alan would need to throw the book at him damn fast to avoid that.
Originally posted by Digi
I'm not sure what "full access" means, Prep-Man. What has he done to justify such a statement since the crossover? Besides get his ass beat by Scythe, who apparently is yet another team-killer who can cripple beings made of energy (as Alan is, apparently, according to the doctors).Anyway, he has to keep the Starheart in check, which I think actually limits his power (if I understood him correctly). Letting sh*t loose, which is technically viable in a forum setting, seems like his best bet.
Punking Fate also isn't a HH feat recently, with this new guy under the helmet. We can't discount the Starheart energy manhandling entire teams in the crossover, but there's a bit more to it than that. Scott himself can still have his concentration disrupted, making him vulnerable to Surfer's attacks. Alan would need to throw the book at him damn fast to avoid that.
That is true, he has to keep it in check, but if we go by the JLA/JSA mode, he was out of control and is going all out. He also did well against Mordru, who was creating pocket universes. Fate has had a few good feats under his belt and the Starheart pretty much turned the world upside down, including all the mages. It's powerful and is quite powerful in putting down Surfer, IMO.
BTW, we don't know much about Scythe, HOWEVER, he did escape from a black hole and beat down an entire team of JSA. Also, grabbing Obsidian in his shadow form. With few appearances, he's quite powerful and will probably lose to Alan in their next match.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
That is true, he has to keep it in check, but if we go by the JLA/JSA mode, he was out of control and is going all out. He also did well against Mordru, who was creating pocket universes. Fate has had a few good feats under his belt and the Starheart pretty much turned the world upside down, including all the mages. It's powerful and is quite powerful in putting down Surfer, IMO.BTW, we don't know much about Scythe, HOWEVER, he did escape from a black hole and beat down an entire team of JSA. Also, grabbing Obsidian in his shadow form. With few appearances, he's quite powerful and will probably lose to Alan in their next match.
Saying Scythe will lose to Alan is blind guessing, not based in anything we've seen so far.
The Starheart messed up all the magic users because it controls DCU magic and is its primary conduit. It's not really applicable to Surfer unless the Starheart gives him control over power cosmic, which it does not.
Current Fate's feats are nothing special. Clearly he has potential, but beating him is not a HH feat. I stand by my earlier statement.
Alan has the raw power to put Surfer down, and more total power than Surfer in sheer output. I haven't seen that disputed. That doesn't equal a win, though, especially because we can't say exactly how the battle would play out. So we're not exactly on opposite sides here, I just have issue with your justifications. We're looking at a split here, regardless of whether or not Alan cedes control of his actions to the Starheart.