Alan Scott (Sentinel) vs Blood-lust Silver Surfer

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wait a minute. We're disputing giving a win to a known teambuster.....because it's Surfer? Isn't magic one of the few things Surfer has issues with and can't manipulate?

I just have issue because his teambusting feats were under the Starheart's control. Alan was still doing stuff, but it wasn't exactly him. He has access to that power and could relinquish control, true. But CIS dictates he would not, and he lacks teambusting feats outside of his Starheart-induced madness.

Odd to be the opposition to Alan here, since he's among my favorite characters, and I don't really care much about Surfer. I'm not exactly in disagreement though, I'm just unsure if we can count that crossover as "in-character" for forum battles where CIS is on as a default.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
2nd, isn't Alan a good boxer as taught by Ted Grant?

lul

Remember, Alan had crazy power BEFORE he had full access to Starheart. His power alone was able to destroy the solar system or at least it was commented on. He also, was able to speed up time and manipulate better than Surfer ever did.

Alan's best raw power feat was against his (then evil) son. The solar system thing is just talk, just like 99% of the idle talk that we can ignore in comics that is either hyperbole or unbacked by feats. Why even bring it up when you admit it's just commentary on him?

With CIS on, this is a split (maybe not 5/5, but not 10/10 for either), despite Alan's potential being greater. I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise, and I've read as much JSA as anyone here (and have used or faced Surfer in numerous tourneys) so I'm not speaking from a position of ignorance on either character.

Turn CIS off and yeah, sure, Alan stomps.

Because Alan usually holds back a lot. We've seen him unleashed in the last arc and he took on 2 teams. Something Surfer won't be able to do.

Again Prep-Man, that was under possession of the Starheart itself. That wasn't Alan unleashing, it was him being taken over. In a CIS environment, he's not going to willingly cede control of his body and powers to the Starheart. I'm not sure how else to describe it to you, but you're not going to convince me that a story specifically about the Starheart taking over Alan's body was in fact just Alan cutting loose. In a tourney setting where we dictate such things, perhaps. Here, not so much.

So i can't readily use that arc in a default forum match. As such, and as before, Alan can still win because he's an A-list Green Lantern with a better power source and slightly greater willpower. But he's not immune to Surfer's attacks.

I'm talking before that story ever happened. It's known that he holds back. He's a being of pure energy, yet he's in the hospital.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'm talking before that story ever happened. It's known that he holds back. He's a being of pure energy, yet he's in the hospital.

Scythe clearly did something non-traditional to him, his current state doesn't really tell us much.

All big guns hold back most times, it's a necessity. But what feats before the crossover put him clearly above Surfer? Just saying he holds back won't hold under scrutiny for most.

Just as I suspected. Alan pretty much owned Scythe and he couldn't do anything about it. When Alan was unleashed he is beyond top tier, IMO. So, Alan FTW.

Yeah, Alan basically willed himself the ability to fight. Considering Alan's basically willed himself back to life, it's not a huge stretch, especially if he taps into more of the Starheart's power.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Just as I suspected. Alan pretty much owned Scythe and he couldn't do anything about it. When Alan was unleashed he is beyond top tier, IMO. So, Alan FTW.

Agreed with the result. You still put the chicken before the egg, so to speak. You were granting him the win before we had clear proof that it was likely. The fact that your guess turned out to be right doesn't negate that fact that you were wrong a week ago.

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...and let's not forget the first-appearance power boost all characters get. Scythe, if he turns into a recurring villain, may never prove to be higher than low-to-mid tier in terms of feats.

Sentinel.

Originally posted by Digi
Agreed with the result. You still put the chicken before the egg, so to speak. You were granting him the win before we had clear proof that it was likely. The fact that your guess turned out to be right doesn't negate that fact that you were wrong a week ago.

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...and let's not forget the first-appearance power boost all characters get. Scythe, if he turns into a recurring villain, may never prove to be higher than low-to-mid tier in terms of feats.

Meh, comics are predictable.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Meh, comics are predictable.

True, but I still enjoy direct evidence. I suppose it's how I operate more so than others because half my vs. experiences in the past 3-4 years have been judging or competing in tourneys, where appeals to predictability and implied power are basically OHK's to those employing them.

I don't predict that much, but I've been right about 3 times this year so far. I'm losing my love for comics in general. 🙁

Recently Alan took down an enemy the entire Justice League where having trouble with. He seems to have internalized the entire energy of the Star Heart. Currently his will power is the only thing that keeps the Star Hearts malevolence at bay. He also created Emerald City, while he lays in his deathbed.

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I see to two open topics. One against the Silver Surfer, and another against Thor. At this point, anything less than King Thor is not going to cut it. As to having the upper hand with Silver Surfer.