Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusMostly, but not entirely. For instance, after being drastically weakened in a previous battle with Starbreaker, Max was still able to telekinetically close massive fissures of earth.
IIRC, Maxima's telekinesis manifests mostly through metal manipulation. Unless there's some Adamantium lying around, telepathy is her best option.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Mjolnir's enchantment > Maxima's telekinesis I'd wager
Wasn't the hammer knocked off course twice (at least that I can remember)? Both times I remember it being done by Quasar. Once was in an Avengers issue when they were training. He knocked the hammer off course as it was about to land in Thor's hand and She-Hulk had to snatch Captain America's shield and block it because it was flying around erratically.
Second time was when Masterson Thor and Enchantress controlled Quasar fought. He stopped the hammer from returning to Thor by encasing it in a Quantum bubble.
I'd wager Maxima's TK is at LEAST as powerful as Quasar's blast or Quantum bubble.
Originally posted by Galan007
Mostly, but not entirely. For instance, after being drastically weakened in a previous battle with Starbreaker, Max was still able to telekinetically close massive fissures of earth.
ya know, the more i see this bandied about, the more i'm tending towards viewing that scene as PIS. it is so far outside the scope of her usual showings that it stands out like a sore thumb. :/
thor CAN be defeated by tp though. if not tp, thor wins.
Originally posted by zopzop
Wasn't the hammer knocked off course twice (at least that I can remember)? Both times I remember it being done by Quasar. Once was in an Avengers issue when they were training. He knocked the hammer off course as it was about to land in Thor's hand and She-Hulk had to snatch Captain America's shield and block it because it was flying around erratically.Second time was when Masterson Thor and Enchantress controlled Quasar fought. He stopped the hammer from returning to Thor by encasing it in a Quantum bubble.
I'd wager Maxima's TK is at LEAST as powerful as Quasar's blast or Quantum bubble.
I wouldn't call it that. Quasar blasted Thor's hand, throwing his aim off:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DownsShe-Hulk1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DownsShe-Hulk2.jpg
You are right about the second scene though. Quasar prevents Mjolnir from returning to Eric's hand:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsQuasar2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsQuasar3.jpg
That doesn't mean Maxima can challenge or overpower the enchantment or anything. Not if Thor wants it back. As you could see, Masterson shattered the construct, and we all know the enchantment > Thor's strength. I'd explain it away as Masterson not being the true Thor (I think there's one more scene where it doesn't return to his hand).
The returning enchantment isn't the same level of power every time across the board -nothing is- but the major consistency from what I can tell is that when Thor actively wills it back, Mjolnir comes back. You'd need Skyfather level power to have any say in it imo. And for good measure:
Another one of Mjolnir's most well known abilities, is it's mystical link with Thor, which first and foremost compels Mjolnir to return to Thor every time Thor throws, as Thor discovers here.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir8.jpgThe speed at which it returns to Thor's hand varies but it's been able to return to Thor from the edge of the Galaxy in seconds which would indicate it moved at a speed billions of times faster than light.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir6.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir125.jpg"And, no matter how far it is thrown, no matter what it strikes, the hammer always returns to Thor's hand!"
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir2.jpgEven during the period where Mjolnir sometimes disobeyed Thor due to the being inhabiting it, Jake Olsen calls for Mjolnir and it returned, going through the monster that consumed it.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir37.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir38.jpgAlmost nothing can prevent Mjolnir from returning to Thor. That includes brute strength as Drax the Destroyer learns first hand.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDrax16.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDrax17.jpgThe herald Air Walker learns that he cannot prevent Mjolnir from returning to Thor as well.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir121.jpgEven the dreaded Destroyer, a being who can lift Mjolnir cannot prevent it from returning to Thor when he wills it as the current host learns.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir11.jpgThor wills the hammer from the grasp of the Destroyer once more.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Mjolnir98.jpgA powerful black hole created from the collapsing of Terminus can prevent Mjolnir from returning to Thor. "That's one thing that couldn't leave this Universe."
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/CreatesAtmosphere1-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/CreatesAtmosphere2.jpg"My hammer doth shatter a Sun easily as a stone."The Rigellians cannot stop Thor's hammer from returning to him either.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Mjolnir83.jpgNot even beings as powerful as the Skyfather Zeus himself can prevent Mjolnir from returning to Thor.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsZeus2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsZeus3.jpg"Mjolnir would carve through the center of an entire planet to find its way to me! There isn't a force in the Universe that can prevent it from returning to my hand no matter where it lies!"
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir120.jpgMjolnir also doesn't just fly back directly into Thor hands as shown here where it avoids an object to cause damage and lands at his side due to the fact that his busy. Some times it really does some to alive.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir118.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir119.jpgAnother aspect of his mystical link is that if Thor wills it, no one can wrest Mjolnir from his grasp as Hulk learns.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/hulknamorvsThor4.jpg
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I wouldn't call it that. Quasar blasted Thor's hand, throwing his aim off:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DownsShe-Hulk1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DownsShe-Hulk2.jpgYou are right about the second scene though. Quasar prevents Mjolnir from returning to Eric's hand:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsQuasar2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsQuasar3.jpgThat doesn't mean Maxima can challenge or overpower the enchantment or anything. Not if Thor wants it back. As you could see, Masterson shattered the construct, and we all know the enchantment > Thor's strength. I'd explain it away as Masterson not being the true Thor (I think there's one more scene where it doesn't return to his hand).
The returning enchantment isn't the same level of power every time across the board -nothing is- but the major consistency from what I can tell is that when Thor actively wills it back, Mjolnir comes back. You'd need Skyfather level power to have any say in it imo. And for good measure:
She doesn't have to overwhelm it, just keep it away from her and Thor and I wager she can. Her TK has done some impressive things. Also I remember Ultimo knocking Mjolinir out the air and it failed to return to Thor's hand. He actually overpowered the enchantment.
Originally posted by zopzop
She doesn't have to overwhelm it, just keep it away from her and Thor and I wager she can. Her TK has done some impressive things. Also I remember Ultimo knocking Mjolinir out the air and it failed to return to Thor's hand. He actually overpowered the enchantment.
Keep it away from Thor? When his willing it back? I highly doubt it. And she sure as hell wouldn't be in any condition to fight Thor while attempting to do it. Her telekinesis has never been Skyfather level from what I've seen. I think she had a decent showing against Starbreaker once though.
That would have to be annual in the 60's. IIRC, the scene was similar but different to the one from Quasar. The underlying difference being that Thor threw his hammer when Ultimo stopped it with his ray and it didn't return (The impossible!). Less impressive than stopping it while in return and it's not a violation of the enchantment. At least not when further developed.
It however should be noted that at this moment, in the Thor series, Thor was fighting the Enchanters who were messing with Mjolnir, and at the end of the story, Thor was bereft of his special powers. I don't recall if there was any acknowledgment of it in the Avengers story but something worth not and would be an easy explaniation. Thor threw some lightning around however.
There is the scene in the first Surfer fight (I think it more closely resembles what she would have to do) but Thor was noticeably holding back and when he actively wills the hammer back, it's superior to his physical strength. Like I said, you'd need Skyfather level power to mess with it's return. Unfortunately, Thor seems to very rarely actually put effort into calling Mjolnir.
