Here's the only time I've seen someone trying to use telekinesis on Mjolnir:
Not even extremely powerful telekinesis can overcome the enchantment as this poor unfortunate fellow learns when he short circuits.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Mjolnir71.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Mjolnir72.jpg
Note: This is just to give you an idea of how incredibly powerful this being was.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Mjolnir73.jpgThe above scene is retold in the modern era.
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/MjolnirSandu1.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/MjolnirSandu2.jpg
Crazy powerful. Magneto stopped it in flight using his magnetic powers and once repelled the hammer using a surprise attack IIRC. Unfortunately, halting Mjolnir in flight is at best only a temporary tactic and isn't the impressive part. The enchantment doesn't say Mjolnir is unstoppable, only that particular individuals can lift it and it will return to Thor's hand after it is thrown.
Maxima can use her powers to stop Mjolnir in flight (Depends on how hard Thor throws his hammer of course) and there are even incidents that support her holding it in place after a throw, but if Thor wills it back, it's coming back. She's most definitely not attempting to overpower Odin's magic while fighting Thor. It's a waste of energy. She should just go for the mindrape.
I can't comment on that unfortunately. I kind of skimmed through the entire Onslaught crap fest.
Was it similar to the scene with Magneto? If so, I don't see the significance of it. Uru is at times a metallic substance so any metal manipulators of a sufficient power level should be able to affect it. That is, until they either start trying to counter act some of the enchantments.
And by affect, I mean move Mjolnir from one end of the room to another mentally.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ohhh. So the enchanment that's unbeatable is the return and that only Thor or someone worthy can lift it.I'd still like some more feats for Sandu.
That's the idea. The worthy part is the most powerful enchantment and the next in line is the return enchantment. It gets stronger the more Thor wills it. It's directly tied to Thor's consciousness from what I can gather. That would probably explain the fluctuation.
So she could theoretically mindrape him to stop him from willing the hammer back.
So since you're the resident Thor expert, I know he's been mindraped by Moondragon and a few others, but I also know he's got strong willpower, so what is his resistance to TP like?
Edit: And yes, this is a great match. I can see it going either way currently.
2nd Edit: If she can use her speed, and her TK, and her TP at the same time and physically attack him while she's doing all 3, she wins. But that's a tall order.
Mjolnir has a default setting. Return to Thor's hand when thrown. As it's directly tied to his essence, Thor can further direct Mjlolnir, manipulating it as if it was alive, and increasing the power of the return. That's the basic summary for their relationship.
If she's mindraping Thor, Mjolnir will still return when thrown, unless she can gain mental control over Thor, then try and control Mjolnir that way. But we've seen that in the past when someone possesses Thor and by proxy gains control over Mjolnir, Thor becomes unworthy. Possession =/= Influence. It's all about sentient intent with the hammer. Confusing as f*ck.
I don't think Thor's ever been mindraped by Moondragon. She froze him telepathically in their first encounter, and was able to influence him mentally (I'm not sure if this was because she was unable to control him directly or not. It's been about two years since I read the old Avenger issues), but enough of him fought back to revert to Blake.
Thor's will power is one of the best out there. His telepathic resistance fluctuates and seems to be linked directly to his anger. The angrier he is, the harder it is to control him.
Her best bet is a telepathic assault. If that fails, she loses. She's not taking Thor in a head to head fight.
Yea, that is a tall order. Makes me want to get high end/exotic with Thor. mhmm
As a mortal, Thor resists the Enchantress, and breaks her embrace. Something no one had ever done yet.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsEnchantress.jpgBreaks free of the mental state he was placed in by Meru, the Mind Bender.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsMeruMindBender.jpgProves to be immune to the mystic musical control of Ares.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsAvengers8.jpgThe Corruptor who has the ability to corrupt people with his evil touch -as he possesses the evil of all the ages combined- fails to overcome Thor’s will.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsCorruptor1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsCorruptor2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsCorruptor3.jpgResists a demonic psychic manifestation attempting to feed on the emotional energy he was emanating.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WillPower18.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WillPower19.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WillPower20.jpgWithstands multiple psychic assaults from the Black Abbott and all of his bodies.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsBlackAbbott1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsBlackAbbott2.jpgDespite taken by surprise, Thor resists the Rigellian Mind Thrust.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ResistsMindThrust1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ResistsMindThrust2.jpgLater on, Thor isn't even slowed down by the Mind Thrust of multiple Rigellians.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ResistsMindThrust3.jpgEngages and defeats Kronin Krask in a battle of wills that is so intense, it is visible to the naked eye.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WillPower9.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WillPower10.jpgDefeats the Fear-Eater by overcoming his greatest fear.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsFearEater1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsFearEater2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsFearEater3.jpgResists the Eye of Horus used by the Egyptian God Horus.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsHorusEgyGod4.jpgDoctor Druid fails to manipulate Thor’s thoughts.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorrResistsDoctorDruid1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorrResistsDoctorDruid2.jpgUpon seeing Jane Foster in danger, Thor breaks free from the control of the Gypsy and her Mind Jewel.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGypsyControl2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGypsyControl3.jpg
Note: This Jewel gave her enough power to easily take over the mind of someone as powerful as Firelord.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGypsyControl1.jpgBreaks free from the control of an amped Puppet Master.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsPuppetMaster1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsPuppetMaster2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsPuppetMaster3.jpgA teenage Thor resists the enchantment of Odin's magical Mirror.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsMycha1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsMycha2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsMycha3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsMycha4.jpgThor's is able to break down the mental barrier that hides the primal memories he inherited from Odin.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WillPower16.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WillPower17.jpgThor withstands a mental assault from the Exemplar Bedlam.
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Bedlam1.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Bedlam2.jpgMind blasts from Moondragon -who possessed the Mind Gem- do not even slow Thor down.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor1fight8.jpgThor is able to resist and stop Loki's spirit from merging with his body and mind.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsLokiSpirit1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsLokiSpirit2.jpgAfter Thor allows Loki to enter his body, Thor forcefully casts him out.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsLokiSpirit3.jpgThe Hell Lord Mephisto is unable to break Thor's will despite subjecting him to terrible torture, tempting him with great gifts and even goes as far as consuming Thor's immortal soul. All to no avail.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsMephisto3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsMephisto4.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsMephisto5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsMephisto6.jpgUsing the long lost magical elixir of Lorn, Lorelei forces Thor to fall madly in love with her and obey her every command. However, upon seeing her with Loki and getting angry, Thor proves that the elixir is not infallible after all....
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ResistsElixirofLofn1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ResistsElixirofLofn2.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ResistsElixirofLofn5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsLoki53.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsLoki54.jpgWithstands a mind blast that none of the Avengers including Moondragon can do.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ResistsMindBlastStranger.jpg
Note: Moondragon even comments on how at that moment, the Stranger -actually Toad using the Stranger's equipment- seemed nearly omnipotent in terms of psychic power.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ResistsMindBlastStranger2.jpgThor resists the mental spell of the Dromedan himself.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsDromedan1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsDromedan2.jpgThor is able to withstand a mental assault from Dromedan again. The same assault also put down the great Eternals Virako and Valkin.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsDromedan3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsDromedan4.jpgThor once more gets mentally attacked and withstands the Dromedan.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistsDromedan5.jpgDarkoth uses his brainwave manipulating firehorns to turn Thor's own indomitable awesome will on himself and where another would have fallen, Thor stands.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDarkoth5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDarkoth6.jpg
Thor is the first Avenger to realize that Morgan was warping reality using the Twilight Sword and then resists her control over his mind.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistMorganLeFay1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ResistMorganLeFay2.jpgThor overcomes the destructive nature of the Destroyer armor when he takes control of it.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WillPower14.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WillPower15.jpg
Thor once again overcomes the will of the Destroyer when he defeats it in battle. Notice how the Destroyer was shitting itself once it realized it was facing Thor.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsDestroyer1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsDestroyer2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsDestroyer3.jpgThor resists the mental attack of Sandu, a mutant significantly amped by Loki.
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/WithstandsSandu1.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/WithstandsSandu2.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/WithstandsSandu4.jpg
Note: Professor Xavier himself calls Sandu a telepathic mutant of unfathomable power.
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/WithstandsSandu3.jpgMoondragon with help from the Mind Gem is barely able to break Thor's mental defenses even in a catatonic state.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill2.jpgIt turns out however that Thor was playing possum so as to get Thanos, Dr. Strange, the Silver Surfer, Drax, Adam Warlock, Moondragon, and Maxam onto a psychic plane of existence. Here he engages them all in a battle of will and successfully traps them in a maelstrom of madness. Their one and only chance was to combine all of their wills with that of Thanos into a sudden attack to barely break free.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill4.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill6.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill7.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill9.jpgIn a fight that defies mortal comprehension, Odin attempts to spiritually/mentally defeat a portion of Thor's psyche and fails.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill10.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill11.jpg
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The only feats I call bullshit on are the Insane Thor from the power gem arc. As for the rest, that is indeed potent willpower.Also, I don't know if she can go multi-task like that. We need feats for her to compare against Thor.
Of course you would.
No one has feats that can compare to Thor.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
that's what I like about you. you dont just quote or describe scans, you always bring em!
Thanks. Nowadays, I just post em, and let people see for themselves.
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Hey Rage, I just read your review (apparently) of the World Eaters arc on the CBR forums. It's that bad huh?
Lol, yea. So shit. I don't know how anyone who has read Thor (Besides an issue or two during Thomas' second run) would agree with the characterization at all. I tried to like it, I really did, but it's a waste of money. I can't speak for everyone however. Pick up a copy and see for yourself if you enjoy it.
