Maxima Vs. Phoenix (Rachel)

Originally posted by zopzop
I don't understand why people do not at least LOOK at the damn scans before offering an opinion. Those asteroids couldn't have been more than 15-20ft long if you compare them to Necrom who is normal humanoid size (about 6ft). To make things worse all she did was use her TK to redirect their momentum.

Maxima while weakened held together continental plates that were tearing apart a planet roughly the size of Earth. If you don't see the difference between these two feats then I don't know what more to say.

PS Rachel never beat Galactus. The PF who was possessing a comatose Rachel pummeled a weak/near death Galactus.

you have a funny sense of proportions. maxima only closed fissures, she didnt rip those tectonic plates.

btw
this is her outright pawning necrom, she drew elemental energy from the cosmos and burned him away with it, it was a deliberate tactic taht relied on her far superior raw power and durability. she didnt give into his demands and kill by accident like you implied and desintegrated him. if rachel chose to do the same to maxima, she'd be ripped to pieces even faster.
http://m478.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/iceprince_x/phoenixfight5.jpg.html?src=www&action=view&current=phoenixfight5.jpg

PS comatose?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/56665/1195625-phoenix_rachel_vs_galactus_07_super.jpg

Originally posted by 753
you have a funny sense of proportions. maxima only closed fissures, she didnt rip those tectonic plates.

Look at the size of those asteroids she merely redirected at Necrom (who is a normal humanoid in size), that's what the freaking scans are there for. They can't be more than 15-20ft long.

Uhm, a weakened Maxima CLOSING continental fissures on a planet roughly Earth size that were going in opposite directions is a massive TK feat. Do me a favor? Google "Grand Canyon" to get a rough idea of what a weakened Maxima was up against.

btw
this is her outright pawning necrom, she drew elemental energy from the cosmos and burned him away with it, it was a deliberate tactic taht relied on her far superior raw power and durability. she didnt give into his demands and kill by accident like you implied and desintegrated him. if rachel chose to do the same to maxima, she'd be ripped to pieces even faster.
http://m478.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/iceprince_x/phoenixfight5.jpg.html?src=www&action=view&current=phoenixfight5.jpg

Necrom is an energy vampire. He overloaded himself on the PF. The process comatosed Rachel. Why would this "feat" even be worth mentioning vs Maxima?

PS comatose?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/56665/1195625-phoenix_rachel_vs_galactus_07_super.jpg

Yes, comatose. That was the PF speaking through Rachel while Rachel's mind/body healed up.

Originally posted by zopzop

Look at the size of those asteroids she merely redirected at Necrom (who is a normal humanoid in size), that's what the freaking scans are there for. They can't be more than 15-20ft long.

Uhm, a weakened Maxima CLOSING continental fissures on a planet roughly Earth size that were going in opposite directions is a massive TK feat. Do me a favor? Google "Grand Canyon" to get a rough idea of what a weakened Maxima was up against.

Necrom is an energy vampire. He overloaded himself on the PF. The process comatosed Rachel. Why would this "feat" even be worth mentioning vs Maxima?

maxima wouldnt dream of beating necrom and rachel could smoke her with much less energy than what she pumped up his ass

Yes, comatose. That was the PF speaking through Rachel while Rachel's mind/body healed up. [/B]

Originally posted by 753
she didnt lift the tectonic plates is the point.

She was PULLING them together as they were pushing in opposite directions while weakened! Still don't see how this is impressive vs Rachel merely redirecting two 15-20ft long asteroids?

didnt you read the comic? she did it to overload him, it wasn't an accident and he didn't do it to himself. maxima wouldnt dream of beating him and rachel could smoke her with much less than what she pumped up his ass

He overloaded himself. He couldn't handle the PF so he popped.

it's been ages since I read that, so I'll check, but i think you're mistaken.

No trust me on this. Rachel was in a coma and the PF was doing the talking as Rachel's body/mind healed.

He overloaded himself. He couldn't handle the PF so he popped.

No trust me on this. Rachel was in a coma and the PF was doing the talking as Rachel's body/mind healed. [/B]

Originally posted by zopzop
She was PULLING them together as they were pushing in opposite directions while weakened! Still don't see how this is impressive vs Rachel merely redirecting two 15-20ft long asteroids?

Maxima wasn't doing it by herself IIRC. Superman and others(?) were closing fissures too. That would mean she wasn't dealing with nearly the amount of stress you're saying she is. Maintaining a few tectonic plates =/=preventing a planets collapse under her own power.

Maxima's good, but a she's not nearly capable of this:

Originally posted by "Id"
[B]Excalibur volume 1, issue #61

Rachael vs Galactus.
An interesting match, we know that the Phoenix Force is well above a Herald of Galactus. What about a Hungry Galactus? Apparently a league above him as well.

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Originally posted by 753
this only tells mes you didnt read the comic or the scan.

I have the issue right in front of me!

ill take your word for it, although your position on necrom's demise takes a bit away from your credibility

I'm scanning it now.

Originally posted by Konton
Maxima wasn't doing it by herself IIRC. Superman and others(?) were closing fissures too. That would mean she wasn't dealing with nearly the amount of stress you're saying she is. Maintaining a few tectonic plates =/=preventing a planets collapse under her own power.

There were three fissures. One was taken care of by Superman (and we all know what he's capable of), one was taken care of Bloodwynd, the final one was taken care of by a WEAKENED Maxima. These three fissures were tearing apart a planet the about the size of Earth. Even if a WEAKENED Maxima was "only" holding together 1/3 of that, that's still more of a feat than redirecting the trajectory of two 15-20ft long asteroids!

Maxima's good, but a she's not nearly capable of this:

Luckily for Maxima, that wasn't Rachel but the PF in Rachel's comatose body fighting a weakened/near death Galactus.

Originally posted by 753

ill take your word for it, although your position on necrom's demise takes a bit away from your credibility

Excalibur 61, the issue where the Galactus fight took place.

lol the PF wouldn't have such an emotional reaction to Galactus' revelation.

Originally posted by Konton
lol the PF wouldn't have such an emotional reaction to Galactus' revelation.

Dude................. 😠

Here is Rachel finally waking up from her coma a few issues after the PF/Galactus brawl. This takes place in issue 64. :

Originally posted by zopzop

I have the issue right in front of me!

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Edit: she was in a coma after all. the galactus feat doesnt coun then. nice scan.

Originally posted by 753
so why dont you concede she overloaded and burned him away as a deliberate tactic?

Edit: she was in a coma after all. the galactus feat doesnt coun then. nice scan.

I do acknowledge that. But killing yourself by giving your lifeforce to an energy vampire is pointless when discussing Maxima vs Rachel.

We all saw what Necrom did with a mere fraction of the PF that Rachel possessed, yet Rachel has never been shown doing anything anywhere near that. Rachel is a jobber and a craptacular wielder of the PF.

Maxima has better feats and she's actually engaged in psionic combat with known telepaths and won! Maxima takes this 10/10.

Originally posted by zopzop
I do acknowledge that. But killing yourself by giving your lifeforce to an energy vampire is pointless when discussing Maxima vs Rachel.

We all saw what Necrom did with a mere fraction of the PF that Rachel possessed, yet Rachel has never been shown doing anything anywhere near that. Rachel is a jobber and a craptacular wielder of the PF.

Maxima has better feats and she's actually engaged in psionic combat with known telepaths and won! Maxima takes this 10/10.

So she was piloted by the PF. She still, as an avatar, defeated Galactus.

Do we discount Jean's DP stuff?

Originally posted by zopzop
I do acknowledge that. But killing yourself by giving your lifeforce to an energy vampire is pointless when discussing Maxima vs Rachel.

We all saw what Necrom did with a mere fraction of the PF that Rachel possessed, yet Rachel has never been shown doing anything anywhere near that. Rachel is a jobber and a craptacular wielder of the PF.

Maxima has better feats and she's actually engaged in psionic combat with known telepaths and won! Maxima takes this 10/10.

you're really lowballing rachel here. 😬 you acknowledge you don't like her, call her an idiot and seemingly refuse to acknowledge any of her high end feats. you think max can do more damage than necrom? you think max could withstand a blast that made the pre-retcon BEYONDER take notice?

again--she HAS had some low showings, but she's had other ones that if taken into account show clearly she could kill max. your cry of 10/10 is pretty preposterous tbh.

Originally posted by leonidas
you're really lowballing rachel here. 😬 you acknowledge you don't like her, call her an idiot and seemingly refuse to acknowledge any of her high end feats. you think max can do more damage than necrom? you think max could withstand a blast that made the pre-retcon BEYONDER take notice?

again--she HAS had some low showings, but she's had other ones that if taken into account show clearly she could kill max. your cry of 10/10 is pretty preposterous tbh.

Can you name ONE psion she's defeated in a TP contest? What's her highest TK showing? What has she done that makes you think she can hang with, let alone get any wins off, Maxima?

Let's face it. Maxima ain't no Dr. Doom. ermmhappy

Originally posted by Konton
So she was piloted by the PF. She still, as an avatar, defeated Galactus.

Do we discount Jean's DP stuff?

Jean Grey did some DP?
Zing!

😮‍💨

Originally posted by zopzop
Can you name ONE psion she's defeated in a TP contest? What's her highest TK showing? What has she done that makes you think she can hang with, let alone get any wins off, Maxima?

in a tp contest? not off hand. i could ask if you know any tp who has defeated her though. i certainly don't see max being able to take her out with tp. in xmen 203, she allowed herself to cut loose with the PF and she touched the mind of every living being in the universe.

universal tp feat>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>max's tp feats.

and again, if she's capable of toppling/overwhelming the BEYONDER, then yeah, i like her chances against max. her battles with cosmics have threatened worlds. in terms of overall power she quite literally dwarfs max. even max's continent feat seems like pis to me since she's done nothing like it before or since. and it turns out it was only 1/3 as impressive as you made it seem like it was. as far as asking questioning--exactly what battle tk feats DOES max have exactly? where have you seen max do the kind of damage rachel was absorbing?

someone mentioned rachel created a black hole with tk. i've not seen it myself--least i don't think i have--but if true, that alone dwarfs max's feat.

again, all you're doing is limiting yourself to lowballing. not a cool tactic. you've yet to acknowledge her high end feats, or acknowledge that if she truly cuts loose with the PF, max would be less than dust.