Luke Skywalker, Kyle Katarn and Mara Jade VS Kit Fisto,Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar
Respectively, this will be Kyle Katarn from Mysteries of the Sith (Jedi Knight game before Jedi Outcast) and Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade from The Last Command (The final book of the Thrawn Trilogy) against Fisto, Tiin and Kolar - in a duel to the death inside Palpatine's office just like in Revenge of the Sith.
Which group wins this?
1. Sabers
2. Force
3. All out
Originally posted by truejedi
hmm, pretty sure that Luke at this point would be able to come very close to the solo here. This is after shadows of mindor.
Yet even at that point, he still couldn't defeat his clone or Joruus C'Boath - Mara Jade had to do both, herself.
Kolar, Fisto and Tiin were literally the greatest swordsmen in the Order just beneath the likes of Yoda, Mace, Anakin and Kenobi.
Originally posted by ares834
lol... Luke Skywalker has already defeated Vader by this point in time and he is, IMO, beyond either Kyle or Mara at any point in time. Also Mara Jade was a terrible duelest during the Thrawn Triliogy.
Vader arguably let him win, and also, Mara, as terrible as some might say, was able to defeat C'boath and Luke's clone, when Luke himself failed to do so.
Also, at this point, Kyle and Mara had both succeeded in braving one of the most dangerous and secret Sith Temples in existance - which involved fighting through numerous Sith traps, including many lightsaber-weilding adversaries.
So it puts Kyle or Mara slightly above Luke at this point. 😮💨
EDIT: Mm, not let him win. But y'know, held back, 'cause he realized he loved his tow-headed boy, and didn't really want him to get hurt, the whole time.
EDIT: And Kyle had also defeated a Dark Jedi immersed in Sith teachings, who was stated to rival Vader in both power and skill - and not only that, but fought this man in an all-out duel, even when this man was infused with the souls and power of thousands of Jedi.
So. 😮💨
Originally posted by NowYouRemember
Vader arguably let him win, and also, Mara, as terrible as some might say, was able to defeat C'boath and Luke's clone, when Luke himself failed to do so.
Wasn't it a matter of Luke couldn't kill the clone because he couldn't bring himself to do it? (Since it was him?) And I thought leia had something to do with the death of C'boath as well?
This Luke has already killed DE sidious, don't forget, and been described as a ridiculously powerful force user in Shadows of Mindor. (he was on a whole new level that Vastor couldn't touch (same vastor that Windu said he couldn't beat on his best day)
Also, C'baaoth (not C'baoth is nothing to be laughed at. His feat of using the force to hold a missile unmoving in the air for many seconds before destroying it puts him at a force level only challangeable by Yoda, Sidious, and maybe Dooku at the time of Outbound Flight.
Also, at this point, Kyle and Mara had both succeeded in braving one of the most dangerous and secret Sith Temples in existance - which involved fighting through numerous Sith traps, including many lightsaber-weilding adversaries.
I will agree that Kyle is a beast. No argument here. Less so for Mara Jade. She couldn't touch Vader, whose level Luke has already surpassed as given above. This isn't a matter of saying Luke could solo because his teammates suck, I'm saying Luke could solo, and therefore this is a ridiculously lopsided fight. Maybe Kyle could solo as well, though his opponents in JK are not held in nearly as high regard as Luke's opponents.
EDIT: And Kyle had also defeated a Dark Jedi immersed in Sith teachings, who was stated to rival Vader in both power and skill - and not only that, but fought this man in an all-out duel, even when this man was infused with the souls and power of thousands of Jedi.
Source for Jerec rivaling Vader? Cause that'd be a really nice feather in Kyle's cap, and I'm a fan of Kyle. course, barely trained Luke beat Vader himself... so Kyle beating someone to rival Vader doesn't give Kyle an edge on a much more powerful version of Luke.
Originally posted by NowYouRemember
Vader arguably let him win, and also, Mara, as terrible as some might say, was able to defeat C'boath and Luke's clone, when Luke himself failed to do so.
Perhaps to Vader letting Luke win. The rest however is wrong. Mara Jade relied on surprise to defeat the clones, she did not beat them through martial might.
Also, at this point, Kyle and Mara had both succeeded in braving one of the most dangerous and secret Sith Temples in existance - which involved fighting through numerous Sith traps, including many lightsaber-weilding adversaries.
What? When did Mara Jade do this? And regardless deafting Vader is far more impressice than beating a bunch of dark jedi grunts with uncalcuable power.
EDIT: And Kyle had also defeated a Dark Jedi immersed in Sith teachings, who was stated to rival Vader in both power and skill - and not only that, but fought this man in an all-out duel, even when this man was infused with the souls and power of thousands of Jedi.
The rival thing comes from a completely untrained force sensitive so I wouldn't place a ton of stock into it, specifically since it seems to speaks only of raw power and force sensitives have been known to dampen their projection in the force. Hell I don’t even recall Tash Arranda every meeting Vader… As for Kyle Katarn defeating Jerec while using the valley of Jedi’s power, well he did not defeat him in a duel. Rather Kyle Katarn used some strange one time power, likely due to his sudden oneness with the force, that temporarily cut Jerec off from the force
Wasn't it a matter of Luke couldn't kill the clone because he couldn't bring himself to do it? (Since it was him?) And I thought leia had something to do with the death of C'boath as well?
Mm, I don't believe so. I remember Luke being stated as being rusty because he hadn't had a sword fight in a while, and the clone got the better of him.
Then Mara stepped up to the plate.
This Luke has already killed DE sidious, don't forget, and been described as a ridiculously powerful force user in Shadows of Mindor. (he was on a whole new level that Vastor couldn't touch (same vastor that Windu said he couldn't beat on his best day)
Also, C'baaoth (not C'baoth is nothing to be laughed at. His feat of using the force to hold a missile unmoving in the air for many seconds before destroying it puts him at a force level only challangeable by Yoda, Sidious, and maybe Dooku at the time of Outbound Flight.
Hm, Are you sure that he had already fought Sidious by this time? Wasn't that a bit later? The powder has fogged my memory a tad..
And Mace couldn't defeat Vastor because:
1. Vastor was in his prime and had high mental morale, and a cause to fight, and die for.
2. The bulk of his power stemmed from his connection to Haruun Kal, because of his nature as a Lor Pelek.
To my knowledge, in Mindor, he was more of a broken old man in comparison to how he had been, and also did not fight Luke on Haruun Kal? (Do correct me if I'm wrong about that)
So, two different Vastors. So it would make sense a young and relatively inexperienced young man would beat a worn-out husk like the Vastor he faced.
The same Vastor Mace had fought, would beat Luke down, rape him, and then eat the remains..
I will agree that Kyle is a beast. No argument here. Less so for Mara Jade. She couldn't touch Vader, whose level Luke has already surpassed as given above. This isn't a matter of saying Luke could solo because his teammates suck, I'm saying Luke could solo, and therefore this is a ridiculously lopsided fight. Maybe Kyle could solo as well, though his opponents in JK are not held in nearly as high regard as Luke's opponents.
Luke's level hadn't so much surpassed hers - otherwise he could have taken his clone - or at least C'baaoth, who Luke failed to beat, but Mara managed to overcome.
Source for Jerec rivaling Vader? Cause that'd be a really nice feather in Kyle's cap, and I'm a fan of Kyle. course, barely trained Luke beat Vader himself... so Kyle beating someone to rival Vader doesn't give Kyle an edge on a much more powerful version of Luke.
Mm, keep in mind that average Jerec was said to rival Vader - after Jerec absorbed the souls from the Valley of the Jedi, he was much more powerful afterwards, and that was still a fight where he didn't hold back anything.
Vader, in contrast, held back on his beloved boy.
In regards to the quote about Jerec rivaling Vader, I'm currently looking to the manual to the game, which includes the Bio on Jerec, which I remember a piece stating clearly: "embrace of the dark side gave him powers that rivaled Vader's ."
I'll find that manual for you, to further clarify. 😮💨
Perhaps to Vader letting Luke win. The rest however is wrong. Mara Jade relied on surprise to defeat the clones, she did not beat them through martial might.
She did. You can check that part of the book and read for yourself.
What? When did Mara Jade do this? And regardless deafting Vader is far more impressice than beating a bunch of dark jedi grunts with uncalcuable power.
See: Mysteries of the Sith
The rival thing comes from a completely untrained force sensitive so I wouldn't place a ton of stock into it, specifically since it seems to speaks only of raw power and force sensitives have been known to dampen their projection in the force. Hell I don’t even recall Tash Arranda every meeting Vader… As for Kyle Katarn defeating Jerec while using the valley of Jedi’s power, well he did not defeat him in a duel. Rather Kyle Katarn used some strange one time power, likely due to his sudden oneness with the force, that temporarily cut Jerec off from the force
He had to battle Jerec, and also keep him from replenishing his energy at the heart of the Temple, throughout the duel. Even so, this Jerec was considerably more deadly than Vader - especially the Vader Luke faced.
Originally posted by Pwned
Its not C'Baaoth, its C'Baoth. The name change was in the U's of both names, Luuke and Joruus C'Baoth, compared to Luke and Jorus C'Baoth.Also, the clones were losers because police label anyone attacking Chuck Norris as a Code 45-1, a suicide.
EDIT: Crack. 😮💨
And yes, attacking Mr.Norris is suicide - unless your name happens to be Bruce Lee - then it's just a buffet where you rip Norris' leg open and suck on the bone-marrow. Yum.
Originally posted by NowYouRemember
[B]She did. You can check that part of the book and read for yourself.
Lol no she didn't. The clone was busy fighting Luke.
"The clone must have heard her coming, of course; the distinctive sound of her lightsaber made that inevitable. But with Skywalker backed up against the wall, the temptation to finish off one opponent first was too great to resist. He swung one last time, his lightsaber slashing into the wall as Skywalker ducked low beneath the blade—
And with a brilliant flash of shattered electronics, the wall exploded outward, over Skywalker's head and directly into the clone's face.
Skywalker hadn't been backing into a wall after all. He'd been backing into one of the throne room's viewscreens.
The clone shrieked—the first sound Mara could remember hearing him make—as he staggered backward. He spun toward the sound of her lightsaber, his face twisted with anger and fear, his eyes still dazzled. He raised his lightsaber to attack—
YOU WILL KILL LUKE SKYWALKER.
She ducked beneath the slashing blade, gazing into his face. Skywalker's face. The face that had haunted her nightmares for nearly six years. The face the Emperor had ordered her to destroy.
YOU WILL KILL LUKE SKYWALKER.
And for the first time since she'd found Skywalker and his crippled X-wing floating in deep space, she let herself give in to the voice swirling through her mind. With all her strength, she swung her lightsaber and cut him down.
The clone crumpled, his lightsaber clattering to the floor beside him."
Yeah, she really defeated him in a duel...
What? When did Mara Jade do this? And regardless deafting Vader is far more impressice than beating a bunch of dark jedi grunts with uncalcuable power.
See: Mysteries of the Sith
Which is set after the Thrawn Trilogy...
He had to battle Jerec, and also keep him from replenishing his energy at the heart of the Temple, throughout the duel. Even so, this Jerec was considerably more deadly than Vader - especially the Vader Luke faced.
Gameplay... The novel has him simply cut Jerec off from the force.
In regards to the quote about Jerec rivaling Vader, I'm currently looking to the manual to the game, which includes the Bio on Jerec, which I remember a piece stating clearly: "embrace of the dark side gave him powers that rivaled Vader's ."
Hmmm... Ar game manuals even canon. I've never seen anything to indicate them as such. Regardless, "rivaled" is a difficult word to gauge. Furthermore it could indicate that only certain powers of his rivaled Vader's own use of said power.
Chuck let Bruce Lee "kill" him, but it didnt actually kill him, as he is not mortal.
Also, at this point in time, Mara isnt on the level of these jeedai. Luke and Kyle stand a chance, as they are beasts. Mandalore the Bearded (Kyle) could kill any one of these in a one on one fight, i believe, as im pretty sure he cannonically used dark side powers that will make a win. Wormie (Luke) can take any of them cuz hes a OPSOB. Mara can hold one back, but will eventually die.
Originally posted by Pwned
Chuck let Bruce Lee "kill" him, but it didnt actually kill him, as he is not mortal.Also, at this point in time, Mara isnt on the level of these jeedai. Luke and Kyle stand a chance, as they are beasts. Mandalore the Bearded (Kyle) could kill any one of these in a one on one fight, i believe, as im pretty sure he cannonically used dark side powers that will make a win. Wormie (Luke) can take any of them cuz hes a OPSOB. Mara can hold one back, but will eventually die.
Bruce could kill Chuckie anyway.
Yeah, I 'spose Kyle could fire a Destruction blast and kill one of 'em.
But one of the others might gut Luke..
And Mara..hm.
She beat folks at the time that Luke couldn't..
If she and Kyle pair together and fight as Master and Apprentice in an intelligent way - they might survive. 😮💨
Lol no she didn't. The clone was busy fighting Luke.
"The clone must have heard her coming, of course; the distinctive sound of her lightsaber made that inevitable. But with Skywalker backed up against the wall, the temptation to finish off one opponent first was too great to resist. He swung one last time, his lightsaber slashing into the wall as Skywalker ducked low beneath the blade—
And with a brilliant flash of shattered electronics, the wall exploded outward, over Skywalker's head and directly into the clone's face.
Skywalker hadn't been backing into a wall after all. He'd been backing into one of the throne room's viewscreens.
The clone shrieked—the first sound Mara could remember hearing him make—as he staggered backward. He spun toward the sound of her lightsaber, his face twisted with anger and fear, his eyes still dazzled. He raised his lightsaber to attack—
YOU WILL KILL LUKE SKYWALKER.
She ducked beneath the slashing blade, gazing into his face. Skywalker's face. The face that had haunted her nightmares for nearly six years. The face the Emperor had ordered her to destroy.
YOU WILL KILL LUKE SKYWALKER.
And for the first time since she'd found Skywalker and his crippled X-wing floating in deep space, she let herself give in to the voice swirling through her mind. With all her strength, she swung her lightsaber and cut him down.
The clone crumpled, his lightsaber clattering to the floor beside him."
Yeah, she really defeated him in a duel...
Clone still had Luke beat. And Mara saved his butt. 😮💨
What? When did Mara Jade do this? And regardless deafting Vader is far more impressice than beating a bunch of dark jedi grunts with uncalcuable power.
See: Mysteries of the Sith
Which is set after the Thrawn Trilogy...
Not by much.
Gameplay... The novel has him simply cut Jerec off from the force.
Hm, and the cutscene in the game has Kyle striking him down.
Either way, It'd tickle me to see an excerpt from the novel, explaining your claim.
Hmmm... Ar game manuals even canon. I've never seen anything to indicate them as such. Regardless, "rivaled" is a difficult word to gauge. Furthermore it could indicate that only certain powers of his rivaled Vader's own use of said power.
Mm, "rival" pretty much means "rival". You either rival someone, or you don't really rival them.
And the manual is the first Bio Jerec had, to my knowledge.
Originally posted by Pwned
She beat them because Luuke was blinded and could barely see, im pretty sure C'baoth died when the place collapsed on himThis was the warehouse on Wayland right? The one in the mountain?
Im just checkin, its been a while since i read those books
Same. But I remember Mara snackin' on C'baoth's guts.
'Course that could be the Crack, but still. 😮💨
We'll have to wait 'til the boy checks it.
Mhm, Wayland, but not Wayland Utani. 😉