Final Destination Vol.2 Sephiroth X Link

Either: Animations are not mechanics.

OR

If they are: the 'sparks' indicating it to be lightning is also a gameplay mechanic, therefore you cannot prove it to be lightning at all.

My argument is unbeatable.

Really, why would that be? Is there something indicating that they are not bullets or are you merely behaving like a petulant child?

Link > Lightning > Sephiroth.

Now Link has strength, durability, and speed on Seph, Seph's hopeless.

Except this is a flawed premise. We see clearly that it's lightning, that's not a mechanic. The speed is.

This is so ridiculous I can't even believe you typed it.

What, pray tell, is soooo different in the speed and the animation that one is admissable as evidence and one is not? 'We clearly see that it's lightning'? Well we clearly see that it's nowhere near lightning speed as well, so whoopdy freaking doo!

We have a cutscene earlier in the game showing non-lightning moving faster than the gameplay speed.

Actually as I've told you before that argument holds no water.

YouTube video

You can see it move towards the screen at 1.46, very, very obviously, unless you think it expanded about 10 times in size in under half a second for no reason.

If it's not lightning those aren't bullets, ****ing simple. This is the end result of your ad nauseum downplaying.

So, basically you have nothing but petty spite. Cool. Sephiroth casually beat a guy who cartwheeled through bullets. That >>> anything Link's ever shown.

What, pray tell, is soooo different in the speed and the animation that one is admissable as evidence and one is not? 'We clearly see that it's lightning'? Well we clearly see that it's nowhere near lightning speed as well, so whoopdy freaking doo!

The speed however is designed for the player to reflect it. GAME. PLAY. MECHANIC.

IE, you've got nothing. 😐

Also, you're referring to the launch flash as movement? That is clearly not movement. We never see it moving in the cutscene. 😐 Nice try.

Link > Lightning > Seph. Got anything to counter this yet?

Guess what? People can fight dudes with guns without being bullet-timers

Originally posted by BloodRain
And Link failed to counter a bullet timers speed.. lightning consistancy~

The lightning is lightning shaped.

But.......

It's not even shaped like lightning.

|:[

Its funny how something thats 'obviously' meant to be lightning looks and behaves nothing like it, isn't it?

The animation has nothing to do with it. The appearance is designed, and always has been, to let the player know what the **** something is.

Then I guess thats why it looks nothing like lightning, then huh?

Your entire arguement rests upon some spark animations. Mine upon speed animations. SAME. GODDAMN. THING.

The speed however is designed for the player to reflect it. GAME. PLAY. MECHANIC.

Except the there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the speed is being slowed for gameplay. All there is is you saying that it is. Post some ****ing proof of that.

Also, speed is part of teh appearance. The 'lightning' looks nothing like lightning and it behaves nothing like lightning. Therefore, it isn't lightning.

Also, you're referring to the launch flash as movement?

'Launch flash'? What even is that? Since when has a flash of freaking light expanded that slowly? And if it was a launch flash, then why does it take so long between said 'launch flash' and when Link gets hit, if its supposed to be 'faster than lightning'?

[That is clearly not movement.

There is nothing else it could possibly be. The angle is clearly Links, zoomed in seeing as it's from the same angle as Link would be in relation to Ganon. Therefore the energy ball would obviously move towards the camera to get to Link. Therefore it would expand in size as it gets closer to the camera. Therefore that is exactly what we see.

Originally posted by BloodRain
And Link failed to counter a bullet timers speed.. lightning consistancy~

Bullet-timer? IIRC Link couldn't even block a freaking arrow in one cutscene.

Except the there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the speed is being slowed for gameplay. All there is is you saying that it is. Post some ****ing proof of that.

'Launch flash'? What even is that? Since when has a flash of freaking light expanded that slowly? And if it was a launch flash, then why does it take so long between said 'launch flash' and when Link gets hit, if its supposed to be 'faster than lightning'?

There is nothing else it could possibly be. The angle is clearly Links, zoomed in seeing as it's from the same angle as Link would be in relation to Ganon. Therefore the energy ball would obviously move towards the camera to get to Link. Therefore it would expand in size as it gets closer to the camera. Therefore that is exactly what we see.

Cutscene of an inferior magic attack moving too fast for us to see.

'Inferior', doesn't mean slower, just as better doesn't mean faster. Plus, no it isn't.

Too fast for us to see, not faster than lightning.

Yes, clearly that was the important thing in that paragrath. You've completely destroyed my argument. /sarcasm

There's a flash, it launches, Link is hit.

Bullshit, its the ball moving towards the screen. If it was really faster than we can see then why does it take so long between the 'flash' and hitting Link?

Originally posted by Nephthys
'Inferior', doesn't mean slower, just as better doesn't mean faster. Plus, no it isn't.

Yes, clearly that was the important thing in that paragrath. You've completely destroyed my argument. /sarcasm

Bullshit, its the ball moving towards the screen. If it was really faster than we can see then why does it take so long between the 'flash' and hitting Link?

It was.

You mean all of long enough to change camera angle?

Here's this again:

Wondering when it'll sink in. 😬

Failing to counter DLink's near bullet speed. Beat, yes. Still shows him unable to match a bullet timer.

And yes Neph, near the end of TP he almost get an arrow in the face, when he's looking right at it, if it wasn't for some guys showing up.

Failing to counter DLink's near bullet speed. Beat, yes. Still shows him unable to match a bullet timer.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Failing to counter DLink's near bullet speed. Beat, yes. Still shows him unable to match a bullet timer.

And yes Neph, near the end of TP he almost get an arrow in the face, when he's looking right at it, if it wasn't for some guys showing up.

So you're claiming the ball is faster than lightning?

No, you are claiming that since an 'inferior' attack is fast (which it isn't) then a 'better' attack must be faster, ignoring taht speed is not the only requisite for something to be termed better.

It is still moving faster than the gameplay speed of the lightning,

Correct. Only because the speed of said 'lightning' is pretty pitiful though.

to which the player must react.

Assumption of developers intentions. You don't know that they slowed down 'lightning' for teh player to react. There are numerous ways of doing that while still indicating that the lightning is actual lightning. Like show Ganon use full-speed lightning in a cutscene (not the ****ing magic ball thing, do not get smart with me) then have Link react to the same attack in gameplay.

You mean all of long enough to change camera angle?

No, all of long enough for the 'launch flash' to fill teh screen and then switch to Link. If it was really 'faster than teh eye can see' then we would not have had that much time.

Wondering when it'll sink in.

When what will sink in?

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, you are claiming that since an 'inferior' attack is fast (which it isn't) then a 'better' attack must be faster, ignoring taht speed is not the only requisite for something to be termed better.

Correct. Only because the speed of said 'lightning' is pretty pitiful though.

Assumption of developers intentions. You don't know that they slowed down 'lightning' for teh player to react. There are numerous ways of doing that while still indicating that the lightning is actual lightning. Like show Ganon use full-speed lightning in a cutscene (not the ****ing magic ball thing, do not get smart with me) then have Link react to the same attack in gameplay.

No, all of long enough for the 'launch flash' to fill teh screen and then switch to Link. If it was really 'faster than teh eye can see' then we would not have had that much time.

When what will sink in?

Gameplay speed = inadmissable or bullets are universally as slow as molasses.

That didn't reply to a single thing I said. 😬

Also your first sentence is flat out wrong.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That didn't reply to a single thing I said. 😬

Also your first sentence is flat out wrong.

You don't like the feat so you imagine up ways to take it away, GJ, you're downplaying a fictional character on the internet and are no fun to argue with.

I quit, BYE KMC. It's not fun anymore, condescension is gay, and this shit is just ****ing stupid.

I'll take my physics and reason and go hang out with the cool kids on ****ing Factpile or something.

Cool, I'll take my facts and stay right here then.

..so DLink does lighting speed backflips onto the sword? What happened to LoZ keeping with physics?

Actually he did look at it, then preceded to fail at reacting to it. Judging from when he saw it he had more then 5m to react to a 40m/s arrow. I can't see him jumping from < peak human to lighting in 10 mins.

Hold yur horses everyone.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo

These R their composite forms, feats and displays from all media can B included as long as it is canon.

No Dissidia or any of that other noncanon stuff like KH. And nothing from any LoZ games that don't take place inside the original time line.

Which is sad, cause all the non-canon stuff gives Sephy most of his leet feats.

Yeah, Zelda fans are weird about their timelines sir. Linearists would love you, Splitists would hate you and ask which timeline.

Since I know little of Zedla, I'll go with GK's timeline and use a Composite Link of the characters up until the timeline is split. Meaning, 4 Swords, Minish Cap, and OoT Adult Link/Child Link. If you've got a problem with it, then sort out a better alternative.

That said, TK=Win.