Originally posted by TricksterPriestFixed.
That's not the only time he's beaten him outright. But yeah, he'sone of the few peoplethe only person who has ever broken the Infinity Man gestalt.
Never the less, as of Superman Confidential (a retelling of Superman's first encounter with the New Gods) classic IM can -casually- block Darkseid's omega beams.
The most current info = the most canonical. 🙂
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
But that's the point! He never dropped to begin with.
If Post Crisis and Pre Crisis were one in the same then every fight between Darkseid and Superman would have ended with Superman getting his S royally handed to him.
PC DS at his best was High Skyfather-Elder God. Post Crisis Darkseid has a few Skyfather level showings with most of his appearances putting him around Trans.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
His showings after COIE in general have been well below those prior to COIE.If Post Crisis and Pre Crisis were one in the same then every fight between Darkseid and Superman would have ended with Superman getting his S royally handed to him.
PC DS at his best was High Skyfather-Elder God. Post Crisis Darkseid has a few Skyfather level showings with most of his appearances putting him around Trans.
Avatars. And He has handed Superman his ass to him on more than one occasion. Supes has only one clean win over Darkseid. Apokolips Now, a PIS piece of shit story. He's skyfather with feats above his tier. He's more powerful than Odin.
We saw the real Darkseid in FC. That's what we saw in PC.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Avatars. And He has handed Superman his ass to him on more than one occasion. Supes has only one clean win over Darkseid. Apokolips Now, a PIS piece of shit story. He's skyfather with feats above his tier. He's more powerful than Odin.We saw the real Darkseid in FC. That's what we saw in PC.
Pretty much. You saw what the real Darkseid did in FC. I think that slammed the arguement shut in my favor. 😉
Originally posted by PhilosophÃ_a
Trick is not 'holding onto that', he's actually right, him and Nvr were always right. As Final Crisis demonstrated, Darkseid's full form hasn't actually been seen in the main DCU, but once it manifested, even while dying, it dragged the whole Multiverse with him twoards his 'grave', the Black Hole at the base of creation. Even in his condition, in order to beat him, they needed Batman to shoot him with a Radion bullet that, as described by Grant Morrison, slays ideas, for the Flashes to bring the Black Racer to him by going beyond lightspeed and entering inside Darkseid's singularity, and for Superman to finally finish him off with a last effort using an attack that practically negates Darkseid from the Multiverse, a counter-frequency.