Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Oh come on. He was shaking the east coast. That's not even a 5th of the world. 😬 I won't give any version of Hulk the nod over Superman, even in a slugfest. Like hell I'll give him a chance against one of the few people who can beat Clark in a slugfest.
Dude your hatred for Marvel shows. So don't even bother.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThey'd hurt him pretty good. I think Prime would more than likely still take it but he wouldn't laugh off this Hulk's best by any means.
Question for anyone who feels like responding:If WBH under these thread circumstances manages to punch Prime, how do you think Prime would fare physically?
Originally posted by TricksterPriestAdam isn't as strong as wb hulk so the point is moot and we've seen superboy phase him before with his hv. No one is even saying hulk wins only that prime would definitely feel this man's punches.
He laughed off Black Adam whaling on him. I sincerely doubt Hulk would hurt him more. He might send Prime flying, but I doubt he would cause much damage. Any version of Prime would rapestomp Hulk.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He laughed off Black Adam whaling on him. I sincerely doubt Hulk would hurt him more. He might send Prime flying, but I doubt he would cause much damage. Any version of Prime would rapestomp Hulk.
He laughed off Adam's punches because of their magic.
Martian Manhunter hurt Prime with his punch and sent him flying. And you think WBH under these stipulations might send him flying?
Kon draws blood here on Prime. Unless you're going to chalk this up to PIS or claim that Superboy's physical strength > WBH with the Power Gem. I have no clues what feats you're basing Prime shrugging off or laughing off WBH's punches. Not anything I've read. Disputing whether or not Hulk would tag Prime to begin with is one thing as is who would ultimately win this fight. KOing or killing Prime is pretty damn difficult. Causing him physical pain, not so much.
Trying to spin this as WBH being unable to hurt Prime in the least is crap based on what has hurt Prime.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestSuperboy actually caused his own death by his actions not Prime. He slammed through Prime which really didn't injure Prime much but the point is Prime never killed Superboy on his own. Ever.
Drew blood? Big whup. Prime stomped him shortly after that. Sure, Hulk could cause some pain. But Prime would pay him back 20x over.they only surprised him. Neither of them was able to truly injure him.
Also if superboy can cause him to bleed hulk is going to hurt him badly. He will most likely win still but he will definitely be in for one helluva fight.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Drew blood? Big whup. Prime stomped him shortly after that. Sure, Hulk could cause some pain. But Prime would pay him back 20x over.they only surprised him. Neither of them was able to truly injure him.
How much more damage do you think WBH w/Power Gem would do than Kon, then? If Superboy, someone vastly less powerful than either Prime or WBH can manage to draw blood after stringing together a combination of strikes, what do you honestly think a single punch from that Hulk would do to Prime if he hit him?
I mean, being completely unbiased and understanding the characters and equipment involved, I really don't see how anyone can argue against WBH with the gem hurting Prime provided he hits him.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankWait a minute hulk has the power gem here ? I don't know how I missed that. Hulk clearly wins. I was just arguing wb straight up vs prime but with the power gem he beats the hell out of prime.
How much more damage do you think WBH w/Power Gem would do than Kon, then? If Superboy, someone vastly less powerful than either Prime or WBH can manage to draw blood after stringing together a combination of strikes, what do you honestly think a single punch from that Hulk would do to Prime if he hit him?I mean, being completely unbiased and understanding the characters and equipment involved, I really don't see how anyone can argue against WBH with the gem hurting Prime provided he hits him.
Hmm. Good point. I forgot about the gem. With that and a red ring, he might give Prime a decent match. But he's not winning. Prime would eventually figure out that the gem is doing something. Hell, he could just yank the ring off and then take the gem. Once a red lantern loses their ring, their heart malfunctions. Mainly because it replaces all their blood when they use it.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestPrime's not necessarily known as a tactician in battle he usually whines and tries to kill you. I mean his brilliant means of attacking Monarch got his perfect universe destroyed.
Hmm. Good point. I forgot about the gem. With that and a red ring, he might give Prime a decent match. But he's not winning. Prime would eventually figure out that the gem is doing something. Hell, he could just yank the ring off and then take the gem. Once a red lantern loses their ring, their heart malfunctions. Mainly because it replaces all their blood when they use it.
Hulk doesn't even need the rage ring with the power gem anyways. It brings nothing to the fight his own powers and the power gem don't already bring.
Edit😛rime was so stupid he attacked his futuristic trapper self and defeated himself.The guy is just plain dumb sometimes.
I think that people are forgetting all of the instances in which prime has taken on several teams of top tiers while weakened. He slaps around heralds like they're nothing. The only reason why they job prime to conner is for literary symmetry's sake imo, unless there is some other underlying reason that they have not yet revealed.
Keep in mind that prime had spent god knows how long in the speed force (enough time for him to need the solar suit) in the instance above. So I don't see any reason why an invisible punch from the mm wouldn't send him or most others flying if they didn't expect it.
I don't think that I need to reference all of his mid range and high feats because I think that they're posted all over the forum. My point is that a couple of low feats don't justify bringing down a character's overall durability if it is backed by numerous impressive mid range and high ones. That is why I try not to bring u low feats when arguing them, only feats that match or exceed those of the character in question.
As for prime being hurt by hulk. I don't doubt that prime would say "OUCH!!! That really really hurts!!" but in all honesty, when hasn't he unless magic was involved? I think that it is in his character to whine and complain, even when he's not really that hurt. A good reference would be in the beginning of sc when pretty much every legitimate dc team was beating on him. They were giving it their all, if fact, by the time the sun came out, they were just as torn up as he was. Despite all of this, all prime had to say was "That hurts!".... every top tier that matters is beating you down.... and you say "That hurts".... really? Also, again, keep in mind that he was drastically weakened at this point as well.
I'm not saying that wwh's punches wouldn't do anything to him, I'm just trying to be reasonable here, and imo a wwh punch (even with the power gem) is not > alan scott, wonder woman, martian manhunter, powergirl, supergirl, starman, wonder girl, superman, etc (I'm going to stop, because the list gets ridiculous) dog-piling and whaling on you at the same time. This is not to say that it wouldn't affect him or knock him back, but if he took all of that while weakened (and then again afterward, and then again in lo3w), then I'm pretty sure he'll be able to stick it out. He wouldn't tank it, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker.
So seeing as he's not sitting here and letting himself get hit, and has speed comparable at least to a low to mid range flash, as well as other ridiculous physical stats, I'm pretty sure prime wins this.
Originally posted by Sirius77
I think that people are forgetting all of the instances in which prime has taken on several teams of top tiers while weakened. He slaps around heralds like they're nothing. The only reason why they job prime to conner is for literary symmetry's sake imo, unless there is some other underlying reason that they have not yet revealed.
I dont think you should write off his low showings as "for literary symmetrys sake" anymore than you should write off his high showings as done "for the sake of impressing the reader".
Keep in mind that prime had spent god knows how long in the speed force (enough time for him to need the solar suit) in the instance above. So I don't see any reason why an invisible punch from the mm wouldn't send him or most others flying if they didn't expect it.
Theres no indication that Prime was weakened at the end of IC.
I don't think that I need to reference all of his mid range and high feats because I think that they're posted all over the forum. My point is that a couple of low feats don't justify bringing down a character's overall durability if it is backed by numerous impressive mid range and high ones. That is why I try not to bring u low feats when arguing them, only feats that match or exceed those of the character in question.As for prime being hurt by hulk. I don't doubt that prime would say "OUCH!!! That really really hurts!!" but in all honesty, when hasn't he unless magic was involved? I think that it is in his character to whine and complain, even when he's not really that hurt. A good reference would be in the beginning of sc when pretty much every legitimate dc team was beating on him. They were giving it their all, if fact, by the time the sun came out, they were just as torn up as he was. Despite all of this, all prime had to say was "That hurts!".... every top tier that matters is beating you down.... and you say "That hurts".... really? Also, again, keep in mind that he was drastically weakened at this point as well.
I dont agree with that reading. By the end of that issue Prime was done. Obviously he was weakened from the way he responded to that sunlight but by the end of the issue the heroes had the upper hand.
I'm not saying that wwh's punches wouldn't do anything to him, I'm just trying to be reasonable here, and imo a wwh punch (even with the power gem) is not > alan scott, wonder woman, martian manhunter, powergirl, supergirl, starman, wonder girl, superman, etc (I'm going to stop, because the list gets ridiculous) dog-piling and whaling on you at the same time.
Getting dogpiled by 5 top tiers is not the same as getting punched by someone with the strength of 5 top tiers. Fighting 100 guys who can bench press 10 kgs is not the same as fighting a guy who can bench 1000 kgs. And a lot of the guys dogpiling him were just fodder anyway.
This is not to say that it wouldn't affect him or knock him back, but if he took all of that while weakened (and then again afterward, and then again in lo3w), then I'm pretty sure he'll be able to stick it out. He wouldn't tank it, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker.
I recall him having a team of his own in L3W.
So seeing as he's not sitting here and letting himself get hit, and has speed comparable at least to a low to mid range flash, as well as other ridiculous physical stats, I'm pretty sure prime wins this.
A WorldBreaker Hulk with the Power Gem plus a rage ring would stomp Prime. I dont feel that he is written as far above everyone else as you argue here and even if we allow that he is this particular opponent is more than qualified to overpower him.
Originally posted by FifthchildOwned.
I dont think you should write off his low showings as "for literary symmetrys sake" anymore than you should write off his high showings as done "for the sake of impressing the reader".Theres no indication that Prime was weakened at the end of IC.
I dont agree with that reading. By the end of that issue Prime was done. Obviously he was weakened from the way he responded to that sunlight but by the end of the issue the heroes had the upper hand.
Getting dogpiled by 5 top tiers is not the same as getting punched by someone with the strength of 5 top tiers. Fighting 100 guys who can bench press 10 kgs is not the same as fighting a guy who can bench 1000 kgs. And a lot of the guys dogpiling him were just fodder anyway.
I recall him having a team of his own in L3W.
A WorldBreaker Hulk with the Power Gem plus a rage ring would stomp Prime. I dont feel that he is written as far above everyone else as you argue here and even if we allow that he is this particular opponent is more than qualified to overpower him.