Originally posted by SquallX
Everything you wrote is wrong except for the Flash being faster than her.Diana was raised in a society of warriors She lived, and breath war fare. She outclasses Bruce in all category.
Diana high end feat far outclasses the Hulk. One of her best feat is her along with Superman, and MM moved the Earth.
Hhhmmm...
What about a weakened Hulk holding planet Sakaar together that was about to split in half? Remember, planet Sakaar is twice the size of Earth.
Your turn.
Originally posted by SquallX
Everything you wrote is wrong except for the Flash being faster than her.Diana was raised in a society of warriors She lived, and breath war fare. She outclasses Bruce in all category.
Diana high end feat far outclasses the Hulk. One of her best feat is her along with Superman, and MM moved the Earth.
nah
So was thor. So what? Elektra's skill feats are better than thor's and BM's are better than WW's
that's nice. the hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size the size of the earth; chook tatctonic plates with the sheer stress of his leg muscles contracting without him moving twice and was going to destroy the planet earth by taking a step on it on one of these occasions; held a planet that was breaking in two together; held matter and anti-matter apart; lit up a galaxy with a thunderclap; grabbed a massless ball of energy from the air thanks to his strengh alone (this one doesn't even make sense)
Originally posted by SquallX
Everything you wrote is wrong except for the Flash being faster than her.Diana was raised in a society of warriors She lived, and breath war fare. She outclasses Bruce in all category.
Diana high end feat far outclasses the Hulk. One of her best feat is her along with Superman, and MM moved the Earth.
She's not better than Bruce in skill.
She's not as good as Bruce in skill.
I wouldn't even say she's close.
If we did make MA Tiers for DC you'd have guys like KK at the very top, then people like Batgirl and Shiva, then Batman, then Black Canary, and then you might have Wonder Woman.
Being from a society of warriors doesn't automatically make you better than anyone from a less warlike society.
Originally posted by Omega VisionLogically it kind of does since everyone from that warlike society is extremely skilled especially compared to regular human beings. It's like saying competition doesn't make you any better which is illogical.
😬She's not better than Bruce in skill.
She's not as good as Bruce in skill.
I wouldn't even say she's close.
If we did make MA Tiers for DC you'd have guys like KK at the very top, then people like Batgirl and Shiva, then Batman, then Black Canary, and then you might have Wonder Woman.
Being from a society of warriors doesn't automatically make you better than anyone from a less warlike society.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
😬She's not better than Bruce in skill.
She's not as good as Bruce in skill.
I wouldn't even say she's close.
If we did make MA Tiers for DC you'd have guys like KK at the very top, then people like Batgirl and Shiva, then Batman, then Black Canary, and then you might have Wonder Woman.
Being from a society of warriors doesn't automatically make you better than anyone from a less warlike society.
Didn't Bruce say that Diana was the best mele fighter?
Originally posted by SquallXSo MOLNIR isn't magical?
I hope you guys are joking with that whole metal thing. All of Diana's equipments are magical base, that also includes her tiara. That's one of the reason she was able to slit Superman's throat with it.Hephaestus created all of the standard equipment she wore on her person.
Until someone comes here with other proof of Diana's metal been magnetic, than that showing with Polaris was just bad writing at his finest.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Didn't Bruce say that Diana was the best mele fighter?
that was under mcduffie.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Logically it kind of does since everyone from that warlike society is extremely skilled especially compared to regular human beings. It's like saying competition doesn't make you any better which is illogical.
but batman isn't a regular human being.
Originally posted by -Pr-Didn't say he was but WW is clearly not a regular woman either. Her competition is better than his is is my point. Logically it would make sense for the person with the greater competition from moment of creation among supernatural beings to be better than one of the most skilled human beings out there.
that was under mcduffie.but batman isn't a regular human being.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Didn't say he was but WW is clearly not a regular woman either. Her competition is better than his is is my point. Logically it would make sense for the person with the greater competition from moment of creation among supernatural beings to be better than one of the most skilled human beings out there.
batman's competition is people like batgirl, shiva etc. nobody diana fights regularly is that skilled.
diana hasn't had as much training as bruce has had either.
Originally posted by -Pr-So you feel batman is more skilled than diana ?
batman's competition is people like batgirl, shiva etc. nobody diana fights regularly is that skilled.diana hasn't had as much training as bruce has had either.
Also do you feel someone like Ares isn't as skilled as batgirl, shiva, etc. ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you feel batman is more skilled than diana ?Also do you feel someone like Ares isn't as skilled as batgirl, shiva, etc. ?
batman has more than enough feats to put him above diana in terms of skill. don't get me wrong, diana IS an excellent fighter, but bruce is just another level.
Ares is different, though yes, I would say that even if he was as skilled, it's not like he uses it that often.
Bruce is tested in hand to hand skill more than Diana is, and has more training in more different styles than she does.
"Training among warriors" is very close to sticking a no-limits fallacy on her.
Originally posted by -Pr-Batman probably has more feats of skill since he relies on it slightly more than ww since she's a powerhouse as well. Currently, I think ww is depowered so I am sure her skill showings will continue to pour in until her power level returns to classic levels.
batman has more than enough feats to put him above diana in terms of skill. don't get me wrong, diana IS an excellent fighter, but bruce is just another level.Ares is different, though yes, I would say that even if he was as skilled, it's not like he uses it that often.
Bruce is tested in hand to hand skill more than Diana is, and has more training in more different styles than she does.
"Training among warriors" is very close to sticking a no-limits fallacy on her.
I think Ares uses it but I am not too aware of as many fights as he's had he is usually pulling the strings and doesn't always necessarily confront diana in open combat.
To me I think portrayal though this is just my opinion I am hardly an expert on either character here but I view diana as more skilled than bruce is. I feel bruce is up there but wouldn't last that long against gods who have been honing their craft for thousands of years. I feel bruce has her in prep not skill but agree to disagree.
The whole point though, is that even though Diana hones her skills, she doesn't use them nearly as much because she has insane powers to fall back on. And her usual opponents aren't in the top 10 world's most skilled fighters.
Bruce on the other hand has nothing but his skill to rely on, and he regularly fights people who put his insane skills to the test.
You can be a martial arts master, but if you fight brawlers who can toss buses and you respond by brawling and tossing trains, you lose that edge.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Batman probably has more feats of skill since he relies on it slightly more than ww since she's a powerhouse as well. Currently, I think ww is depowered so I am sure her skill showings will continue to pour in until her power level returns to classic levels.I think Ares uses it but I am not too aware of as many fights as he's had he is usually pulling the strings and doesn't always necessarily confront diana in open combat.
To me I think portrayal though this is just my opinion I am hardly an expert on either character here but I view diana as more skilled than bruce is. I feel bruce is up there but wouldn't last that long against gods who have been honing their craft for thousands of years. I feel bruce has her in prep not skill but agree to disagree.
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i do get what you're saying, and there is some truth to it (yes, she is more skilled than she generally appears), but it's an awful big leap to say she's more skilled than Bruce, imo.
Originally posted by KingD19She doesn't use them nearly as often imo because she doesn't have to. Writers can have her hv'd in the face by Superman but with Batman that would kill him so they have to come up with a creative way around that if those two are in a scuffle.
The whole point though, is that even though Diana hones her skills, she doesn't use them nearly as much because she has insane powers to fall back on. And her usual opponents aren't in the top 10 world's most skilled fighters.Bruce on the other hand has nothing but his skill to rely on, and he regularly fights people who put his insane skills to the test.
You can be a martial arts master, but if you fight brawlers who can toss buses and you respond by brawling and tossing trains, you lose that edge.
WW also used her skills quite nicely against Superman when he was out to kill her/DD whatever. I don't think we are going to agree on this but to me this sounds like a new thread topic because I am far from a ww expert to accurately defend her.
I'm with PR, and Quan I'll just assume we're agreeing to disagree.
Because basically what I'm saying is, people like Batman and Karate Kid are so insanely skilled martial arts wise is because all they do is train and use those skills in fights.
Diana trains and is really good don't get me wrong, but she can't be in Bruce's league because she has a crutch. If she trained more intensely, and hadn't had her powers for as long as she's been around, or at least a large majority of the time, you could make that claim. But as it is now, far too often she resorts to brawling which would get her destroyed by some of these street level gods.
Originally posted by KingD19I guess but someone already stated out of batman's own mouth ww is the better melee fighter for what it's worth.
I'm with PR, and Quan I'll just assume we're agreeing to disagree.Because basically what I'm saying is, people like Batman and Karate Kid are so insanely skilled martial arts wise is because all they do is train and use those skills in fights.
Diana trains and is really good don't get me wrong, but she can't be in Bruce's league because she has a crutch. If she trained more intensely, and hadn't had her powers for as long as she's been around, or at least a large majority of the time, you could make that claim. But as it is now, far too often she resorts to brawling which would get her destroyed by some of these street level gods.
WW has never softened up to my knowledge due to lack of training or skill. When she needs it it's still there.
Originally posted by -Pr-It's a direct comparison by a writer between the two characters. I think WW has definitely shown herself to be well skilled throughout her appearances to back up any such statement.
one panel isn't proof. 😬
You can disagree and this is only according to one writer but batman having more feats doesn't mean he's more skilled. It's your opinion which is fine while this is my opinion.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's a direct comparison by a writer between the two characters. I think WW has definitely shown herself to be well skilled throughout her appearances to back up any such statement.You can disagree and this is only according to one writer but batman having more feats doesn't mean he's more skilled. It's your opinion which is fine while this is my opinion.
one writer, that spent his time building up wonder woman through the entire arc.
he doesn't just have more feats, he has BETTER feats, which is more important. she has enough h2h feats to judge her skill level. so does he. as it stands, imo his are superior.