Magneto vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by -Pr-
one writer, that spent his time building up wonder woman through the entire arc.

he doesn't just have more feats, he has BETTER feats, which is more important. she has enough h2h feats to judge her skill level. so does he. as it stands, imo his are superior.

Originally posted by KingD19
The whole point though, is that even though Diana hones her skills, she doesn't use them nearly as much because she has insane powers to fall back on. And her usual opponents aren't in the top 10 world's most skilled fighters.

Bruce on the other hand has nothing but his skill to rely on, and he regularly fights people who put his insane skills to the test.

You can be a martial arts master, but if you fight brawlers who can toss buses and you respond by brawling and tossing trains, you lose that edge.

This is true. Diana needed to use her speed to take Batman down. She's still a great fighter though and probably one of the best top tier fighters in comics.

(Classic) Diana recently used her skills against Genocide as she couldn't afford to fight her head on. And she likewise used skills against Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bottom line we disagree and both sides have proof but I am going to create a thread so as to see hopefully feats of both characters because this topic interests me. Hopefully, tideoftime will see this new topic as he seems like he has a pretty good sense of ww's capabilities.

and I don't? ermm

It's okay; you're still wrong. 😛

Originally posted by -Pr-
and I don't? ermm

It's okay; you're still wrong. 😛

Originally posted by quanchi112
You know even if I was which I am never you'd never hear me say it or even utter it to myself. I'd believe the lie. 😛

True.

Originally posted by KingD19
I'm with PR, and Quan I'll just assume we're agreeing to disagree.

Because basically what I'm saying is, people like Batman and Karate Kid are so insanely skilled martial arts wise is because all they do is train and use those skills in fights.

Diana trains and is really good don't get me wrong, but she can't be in Bruce's league because she has a crutch. If she trained more intensely, and hadn't had her powers for as long as she's been around, or at least a large majority of the time, you could make that claim. But as it is now, far too often she resorts to brawling which would get her destroyed by some of these street level gods.

Originally posted by -Pr-
😐

shrug

i do get what you're saying, and there is some truth to it (yes, she is more skilled than she generally appears), but it's an awful big leap to say she's more skilled than Bruce, imo.

I have to agree with PR on this one because I think it comes down to hype vs feats. And I don't mean to use the term hype to downplay Diana's abilities at all. Quan would be correct if we were to go based on the descriptions that Diana has gotten over the years. "Greatest melee fighter in the world. "Mastered X number of fighting styles and weapons." "Amazon training > all." "Greatest warrior in the DC."

The problem is that most writers will not show us any of this in actual fights. One of the problems is that Diana typically doesn't need to use the kind of skill someone of that level would when she's fighting super powered bricks.

I believe that she is incredibly skilled and would put up a fight against any of the best fighters in the DC without her powers. Batman has better feats and his skill/brain is all he has. So we have to just hedge our bets on this one. I think all of the comments about WW's skill and the fights and sparring with other great martial artists that we have seen inform us that she is unquestionably skilled. But until we get to see a depowered Diana fight someone like Batman and win, then I don't think we can put her above that group when there just isn't enough on panel evidence. I am not dismissing the comments that people like McDuffie have written about her though. I just need to *see* it before I make a statement like "WW is more skilled than Batman."

And back on topic, I do not think magnetism would work on Diana's gear. That Dr. Polaris fight was utter BS. I remember asking Gail Simone if the bracers would be susceptible to magnetism and she said no. I know that is just one writer's opinion, but given the fact that most of what happened in that story went against fairly established character traits (Diana being weak against lightning, the bracers conducting electricity, etc) I am going to let common sense rule the day. The bracers aren't even made from metal (unless that is getting rebooted as well) and the rest of her gear would likely be made from gold or some other such non-magnetic metal. That's before adding in the whole "it's magic" argument.