Originally posted by inimalist
the scan has exodus saying that Emma was smart to occupy him in tk so that he couldn't use his other powers, and Emma admits she would eventually lose the conflict if dust had not been tearing him apart for 5 full min.I read that more as Emma being strong enough that exodus has to focus on her, not that she had cut his powers off.
EDIT: I'm not disagreeing with anything though. I don't know nova too well, so I'm just trying to come up with options team 2 might have.
According to Exodus by cutting off access to her Diamond Form she was able to cut Exodus off from his extra powers.
Mike Carey wrote both the issues you were referencing. The one where Emma fights him and the one where Charles fights him.
And IRRC Emma doesn't admit anything. It's basically a stalemate until Dust tips the scales in her favour. When Charles was off planet Mike Carey cites her as the most powerful telepath while Exodus is in the room. So given all thato context from Mike Carey's writing I wouldn't say so.
Originally posted by 753
Nova's TK could completely desintegrate wolverine's arm, minus the adamantium, but she has no feats approcahing Exodus's fine control and matter manipulation. she does have other powers like that bizarre psionic energy armor and intangibility. I think she just outclasses them.
Honestly I don't even think TK will be an issue. He'll fall very quickly. He wouldn't want to split his concentration in a battle against Nova in any event.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
According to Exodus by cutting off access to her Diamond Form she was able to cut Exodus off from his extra powers.Mike Carey both both the issues you were referencing. The one where Emma fights him and the one where Charles fights him.
And IRRC Emma doesn't admit anything. It's basically a stalemate until Dust tips the scales in her favour. When Charles was off planet Mike Carey cites her as the most powerful telepath while Exodus is in the room. So given all thato context from Mike Carey's writing I wouldn't say so.
hmmm, I'm on my way home now, I'll post the scans in a bit
Originally posted by Mindset
As far as skill is concerned, I don't think anyone tops Cable, TO virus or not, unless you're talking about skill and power.
exodus rebuilt xavier's brain atom by atom and transmuted the shield helicarrier into a cerebro unit
I suppose all I can say is that I am unaware of such skill from cable, but I was sort of trying to average between skill and power. just going by skill, I might tip to exodus over Nate, but i still have a lot of xman to read
Originally posted by inimalist
hmmm, I'm on my way home now, I'll post the scans in a bit
I have the scans, which one's would you like me to post?
http://img155.imageshack.us/f/scan05xz7.jpg/
http://img141.imageshack.us/i/scan12ff6.jpg/
"Actually you've been breathing her right in"
I wouldn't consider that conceding anything. I'd consider that trash talk. Especially given the context from the X-Men Annual (Mike Carey) where Emma is called the most powerful telepath on Earth with Exodus in the room. Mike Carey wrote all 3 issues.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I have the scans, which one's would you like me to post?http://img155.imageshack.us/f/scan05xz7.jpg/
http://img141.imageshack.us/i/scan12ff6.jpg/"Actually you've been breathing her right in"
I wouldn't consider that conceding anything. I'd consider that trash talk. Especially given the context from the X-Men Annual (Mike Carey) where Emma is called the most powerful telepath on Earth with Exodus in the room. Mike Carey wrote all 3 issues.
god, I've got terrible memory for this stuff apparently, I thought Emma said something more along the lines of "yes, but you've been breathing her in"
would you personally put Emma over a bloodties exodus?
Originally posted by inimalist
god, I've got terrible memory for this stuff apparently, I thought Emma said something more along the lines of "yes, but you've been breathing her in"would you personally put Emma over a bloodties exodus?
Was there any official explanation that he was weaker after Bloodties? Because I was looking for this and couldn't find one.
He stalemated Sersi. And then there's the TK shield around the island of Genosha and there's him being able to shield himself from Jean and Charles. And induce fear in a mob.
There's also a Black Knight story where he hurts Sersi again telepathically.
He's showings after are quite decent.
If you look at it. He's fighting Holocaust and he trouces Jean while doing that for a second time with little effort. He was holding Avalon together there too IRRC.
Then after the Fall of Avalon he's a power leech. It says that he was weakened. There he faced an inexperienced Nate Grey and Cable. Exodus lost but he was a shadow of his former self. He was then stuck in a rejuvination chamber.
Was the isotope E thing his next appearance? People forget that he was fighting Quicksilver and the Eternal Thena telepathically. He actually beat Thena in the process and a few Avengers. Thena saved Quicksilvers ass from being mind-raped.
Then there's that machine Forge built to amplify his powers so he could control everyone in Genosha. But he got cut by Wolverine and dropped his cloak as Magneto.
Then there's Austens run where he gets fooled by Mindee (Irma).
Then he returns in the Annual after HoM
Blinded by the Light.
Messiah Complex.
Legacy.
Originally posted by inimalistLook at the armor that Nova makes for herself as she turns Jean into a blithering wreck, laughs off Xavier's attempts to affect her motor functions, phases through Cyclops' blasts and everything else in the scans.
exodus' tk is so powerful it is akin to matter manipulation, is nova's that good too?
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/NewX-Men-116-EisforExtinction03-12.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/NewX-Men-116-EisforExtinction03-13.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/NewX-Men-116-EisforExtinction03-14.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/NewX-Men-116-EisforExtinction03-15.jpg
Also look at what she does to Wolverine's arm.
I'd say that she has pretty high level tk. I'm pretty sure that she actually created her own body with psionic energy, so I assume that would be some measure of precision telekinesis as well.
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As far as mental power goes, Xavier's the second most powerful telepath in this match and Cassie put him in a coma while he was using Cerebra, thereby amping his telepathic power to the tenth degree... different than 10 Xaviers.
5 * 10 = 50
5^10 = 9, 765, 625
Food for thought.
Originally posted by ExistereI believe the mumudrai used chuck's genome as a template to make itself a body from the matter in their mothers womb. after chuck killed it, it survived as a shapeless mass of cells in the sewage where it slowly reformed itself as an adult human-like thing.
Look at the armor that Nova makes for herself as she turns Jean into a blithering wreck, laughs off Xavier's attempts to affect her motor functions, phases through Cyclops' blasts and everything else in the scans.http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/NewX-Men-116-EisforExtinction03-12.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/NewX-Men-116-EisforExtinction03-13.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/NewX-Men-116-EisforExtinction03-14.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/NewX-Men-116-EisforExtinction03-15.jpgAlso look at what she does to Wolverine's arm.
I'd say that she has pretty high level tk. I'm pretty sure that she actually created her own body with psionic energy, so I assume that would be some measure of precision telekinesis as well.
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As far as mental power goes, Xavier's the second most powerful telepath in this match and Cassie put him in a coma while he was using Cerebra, thereby amping his telepathic power to the tenth degree... different than 10 Xaviers.
5 * 10 = 50
5^10 = 9, 765, 625Food for thought.
Exodus's TK is still better than that, but she is overall more powerfull. your numbers raise the question of why wouldnt she mindstomp the DC heralds in your other thread.
Originally posted by 753Cool. I got confused with that whole process, accepted it and moved forward.
I believe the mumudrai used chuck's genome as a template to make itself a body from the matter in their mothers womb. after chuck killed it, it survived as a shapeless mass of cells in the sewage where it slowly reformed itself as an adult human-like thing.Exodus's TK is still better than that, but she is overall more powerfull. your numbers raise the question of why wouldnt she mindstomp the DC heralds in your other thread.
I know Exodus' TK is more powerful than anything Cassie's shown, and with feats like Xavier's brain, more precise. I was just replying to the question about whether Cassandra's TK was on the level of matter manipulation, which it seems to be judging by the scans though I don't know if it's ever explicitly stated.
As far as the other thread, I agree after reflecting on her feats again.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Was there any official explanation that he was weaker after Bloodties? Because I was looking for this and couldn't find one.
in the QS mini both Cortez and Theena describe Exodus as getting more powerful depending on how "fanatacal" he is
I think they introduced that to explain some of his lower appearances
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
He stalemated Sersi. And then there's the TK shield around the island of Genosha and there's him being able to shield himself from Jean and Charles. And induce fear in a mob.
he beats Sersi, she is KO'd at the end.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
He's showings after are quite decent.
he has a couple lower ones, like vs Havok
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Was the isotope E thing his next appearance? People forget that he was fighting Quicksilver and the Eternal Thena telepathically. He actually beat Thena in the process and a few Avengers. Thena saved Quicksilvers ass from being mind-raped.
sort of. QS gets the amp that he describes as making him as strong as magneto, Exodus does an omni-directional psi spike that Theena says would have killed everyone if she hadn't saved them, however QS says that he managed to get away before the attack.
But ya, he schools Theena et al. with the exception of a QS who is amped.
LOL, I guess that is if I'm remembering correctly. I have all these scans/issues for the tourney, but we've seen my memory in action before
Originally posted by Existere
Look at the armor that Nova makes for herself as she turns Jean into a blithering wreck, laughs off Xavier's attempts to affect her motor functions, phases through Cyclops' blasts and everything else in the scans.http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/NewX-Men-116-EisforExtinction03-12.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/NewX-Men-116-EisforExtinction03-13.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/NewX-Men-116-EisforExtinction03-14.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/NewX-Men-116-EisforExtinction03-15.jpgAlso look at what she does to Wolverine's arm.
I'd say that she has pretty high level tk. I'm pretty sure that she actually created her own body with psionic energy, so I assume that would be some measure of precision telekinesis as well.
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As far as mental power goes, Xavier's the second most powerful telepath in this match and Cassie put him in a coma while he was using Cerebra, thereby amping his telepathic power to the tenth degree... different than 10 Xaviers.
5 * 10 = 50
5^10 = 9, 765, 625Food for thought.
oh wow, so she is absolutly on a different level than all of these guys...
She boobytraps her mind.
Plus she was in Genosha when she got Xavier while he was on Cerebra.
Originally posted by inimalist
in the QS mini both Cortez and Theena describe Exodus as getting more powerful depending on how "fanatacal" he is
She said it was a possibility although I don't think they continued with that. He was mean to be a psychic vampire...any psychics worst nightmare but that doesn't seem to have stuck either.
he beats Sersi, she is KO'd at the end.
Does he? That's pretty cool. Been a while since I picked up Bloodties but I read it closely cause I was helping make that respect thread...must have missed it.
he has a couple lower ones, like vs Havok
Yeah I suppose but that was Austen and he shot him from behind. Plus I don't think that KO'd Exodus. Xorn had to BFR him.
Originally posted by inimalist
sort of. QS gets the amp that he describes as making him as strong as magneto, Exodus does an omni-directional psi spike that Theena says would have killed everyone if she hadn't saved them, however QS says that he managed to get away before the attack.But ya, he schools Theena et al. with the exception of a QS who is amped.
LOL, I guess that is if I'm remembering correctly. I have all these scans/issues for the tourney, but we've seen my memory in action before
There's actually another instance where she saved him. It's when he shoots a single beam of telepathy and she blocks it with another beam IRRC. Let me have a look again. Been a while.
LOL I forgot how amazing those scans are. "fagggr and faggggr"
Originally posted by inimalistsort of. QS gets the amp that he describes as making him as strong as magneto, Exodus does an omni-directional psi spike that Theena says would have killed everyone if she hadn't saved them, however QS says that he managed to get away before the attack.
Here's the one I was talking about.
Thena saves him here. Without that interference Pietro would have been taken down.
I suppose you could probably argue from the context of that story that the writer correlated Exodus's power level by how fanatical he is and by how many people followed him and because they lost faith towards the end he dwinddled. But the thing is that they never touched on that ability again.
Exodus ressurected some of the Acolytes too but we never saw that ability again.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Here's the one I was talking about.Thena saves him here. Without that interference Pietro would have been taken down.
I suppose you could probably argue from the context of that story that the writer correlated Exodus's power level by how fanatical he is and by how many people followed him and because they lost faith towards the end he dwinddled. But the thing is that they never touched on that ability again.
ah, my bad! In bloodties he owns QS a couple of times also, including while running
no, I assume it was just something the writers tried to throw in, certainly something I've never seen referenced outside of the QS mini
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Exodus ressurected some of the Acolytes too but we never saw that ability again.
weird, when was that?
He does bring Xavier back to life, but I'm thinking this is a different mechanism than rebuilding a brain?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
He does it off-panel, he mentions something about bringing some of the dead Acolytes back to life (They were actually dead)...might be in the Joseph fight can't remember but I know it's referenced in this handbook. Hold on.
oh, weird, so it very well could be the same as bringing Xavier back?
