Professor X & Cassandra Nova vs Exodus & Emma Frost

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Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Here's the one I was talking about.

Thena saves him here. Without that interference Pietro would have been taken down.

I suppose you could probably argue from the context of that story that the writer correlated Exodus's power level by how fanatical he is and by how many people followed him and because they lost faith towards the end he dwinddled. But the thing is that they never touched on that ability again.

Exodus ressurected some of the Acolytes too but we never saw that ability again.

well in a way he did ressurect chuck. maybe that's what he had been doing all along to them TK/TP ressurection

Originally posted by inimalist
oh, weird, so it very well could be the same as bringing Xavier back?

Xavier is different. Xavier had his brain smooshed, Exodus healed him sub atomically according to Mike Carey and rebuilt it. Tempo froze time in the vicinity. Those others were dead as doorknobs.

I don't know if the link still works:

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
[b]Sub-Atomic Telekinesis

X-Men Legacy #208
(27th February 2008)

(Writer: Mike Carey, Artist: John Romita Jr., Klaus Janson, Scot Eaton and John Dell)

The Aftermath of the Messiah Complex is finally here. Xavier who has just been shot in the head with a bullet by Bishop is currently under the "protection" of Exodus and the Acolytes.

Exodus is trying to "help" save Charles Xavier, thanks to the bullet most of Xavier's brain mass has been reduced to a pulp and his mind shattered.
Exodus tries to probe Xavier's mind to assess the damage that's been down but Xavier blocks his probes. It's found that Xavier conditioned his mind to automatically block out the thoughts of others when he was a soldier at war in Korea.
Realizing this, Exodus destroys what's left of Xavier's mind. And physically puts him back together atom by atom, cell by cell...using his sub-atomic telekinesis.(See Interviews) He also stores all of Xavier's memories for him in his own mind.

Interview with Mike Carey on X-Men Legacy #208

Wizard Universe.com
(25th February 2008)
(By:Jake Rossen)

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/022508mamo.html

"Q: What's the actual status of Professor X in the title? I understand the team is trying to piece together parts of his consciousness.

Carey: It starts out as an attempt to repair the damage done by Bishop's bullet, but that turns out to be a lot harder than anyone expected. Exodus thinks that with a combination of his psi-powers and sub-atomic level telekinesis, he can more or less pre-empt God and put Xavier back together again like Humpty Dumpty. But even though he gets in fast and does everything that seems to be necessary, it doesn't work. Xavier remains in a coma, initially, and they have to find some other way to make him re-engage with life."

Comics Bulletin
(24th February 2008)
(By:Matthew McLean)

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/features/1201196023194.htm

"MM: Sudoku is an interesting choice for that. I could see how that might work very well for changing your mindset given the numerical nature of it.

I suppose we should actually talk about X-Men: Legacy itself. So to get more into the future of X-Men: Legacy Professor Xavier has been shot in the head and Cyclops has disbanded the X-Men. Where does Legacy take readers from there?"

"MC: Legacy picks up almost immediately after the events of X-Men #207 so it is scant minutes after Xavier's been shot. We pick up in a different location but with a very short amount of elapsed time. We are dealing with an attempt to revive him, to save his life even though he's technically already dead, by Exodus who is perhaps one of the very few characters in the X-verse who has the raw power needed for a job like this. Although, as it turns out, he's not able to save Xavier in any meaningful way by himself. He needs help from other sources. The first issue deals with that attempt to repair the physical, organic damage to Xavier and also to begin addressing the damage to his mind which is colossal. He lost a large amount of his brain mass.

That's the initial crisis; bringing him back. For reasons I won't go into just yet."

"MM: No, not at all. Can you talk about what Xavier's priorities are going to be at all?"

"MC: It has to do with putting himself back together, putting his own mind back together. Exodus has some of the strongest telekinetic powers of any X-Men character and he's able to repair Xavier's brain at a cellular level absolutely perfectly and absolutely seamlessly. The problem is that during the time that Xavier is dying and then dead a lot of the memories he had drained away. The damage was so massive that the memories couldn't be restored. We're talking about significant physical damage and therefore significant memory loss. What he's doing in the first few arcs is trying to fill the gaps in his knowledge and understanding of himself by going to the people that he knew at key moments in his past and taking their memories of him to replace his own memories of his own actions.

Inevitably, that means he's getting contradictions and distortions, so he can't necessarily trust what he's getting. But at least it's a starting point – it's better than nothing." [/B]

Anyway here is the ressurection thing. I know Cortez was dead.

but he also says he is going to finish killing xavier, so he can ressurect him. he takes chuck's meories in to replant them after it is done.

Originally posted by 753
but he also says he is going to finish killing xavier, so he can ressurect him. he takes chuck's meories in to replant them after it is done.

Hmm maybe. Maybe brain dead doesn't mean brain dead for a telepath. Heck Emma was brain dead for a while.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Tempo froze time in the vicinity.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm.... interesting

Originally posted by inimalist
hmmmmmmmmmmmm.... interesting

The Acolytes had some nice powersets. Chrome for example sadly died too early but his powerset on paper was pretty impressive and useful for a tourney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_%28comics%29

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The Acolytes had some nice powersets. Chrome for example sadly died too early but his powerset on paper was pretty impressive and useful for a tourney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_%28comics%29

very cool 🙂 I can see that being annoying in a tourney, yes...

yeah, cass and x take this, imo.

Originally posted by inimalist
very cool 🙂 I can see that being annoying in a tourney, yes...

There was one of those points tourney's a few years ago where they forced you to choose a low, medium and high meta character. A team type thing or something and we were going to use Chrome to make materials during to create tech, like how Exodus made the Cerebra out of computers. The Tourney got cancelled though.

I always considered charles to be Cassandra's equal in TP and it was the TK and other abilities that put her over him in a CIS off environment. Honestly I think that while X is a dick I think he subconsciously fears his own power and limits himself where she does not when TP is involved. He always came off as the kind of guy who really could do a lot more than he does but tries to keep himself in check despite failing miserably at times.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
There was one of those points tourney's a few years ago where they forced you to choose a low, medium and high meta character. A team type thing or something and we were going to use Chrome to make materials during to create tech, like how Exodus made the Cerebra out of computers. The Tourney got cancelled though.

oh, I see it man, you could do crazy things with that

turn a suit of armor into adamantium or something... were there any limits to what he could transform? did he have to touch someone, or could he just turm them into water from a distance?

Originally posted by Uriel005
I always considered charles to be Cassandra's equal in TP and it was the TK and other abilities that put her over him in a CIS off environment. Honestly I think that while X is a dick I think he subconsciously fears his own power and limits himself where she does not when TP is involved. He always came off as the kind of guy who really could do a lot more than he does but tries to keep himself in check despite failing miserably at times.

would Onslaught be above Nova then? (what about if he has Nate?)

Originally posted by inimalist
would Onslaught be above Nova then? (what about if he has Nate?)
Yes onslaught is definitely above Nova IMO.

Originally posted by Uriel005
I always considered charles to be Cassandra's equal in TP and it was the TK and other abilities that put her over him in a CIS off environment. Honestly I think that while X is a dick I think he subconsciously fears his own power and limits himself where she does not when TP is involved. He always came off as the kind of guy who really could do a lot more than he does but tries to keep himself in check despite failing miserably at times.
her powers came from his genome, she got all the powers he had and all the ones he could have and never displayed, so you're not wrogn to believe he has the same telepathic potential as her. he did ultimately **** her mind up.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
There was one of those points tourney's a few years ago where they forced you to choose a low, medium and high meta character. A team type thing or something and we were going to use Chrome to make materials during to create tech, like how Exodus made the Cerebra out of computers. The Tourney got cancelled though.

😂

I remember. We tried to get Engineer in, didn't we?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
😂

I remember. We tried to get Engineer in, didn't we?

Yeah, I remember having all those feats....then it got cancelled. Thank God though I would have failed my exams.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Yeah, I remember having all those feats....then it got cancelled. Thank God though I would have failed my exams.

but it would have been worth it. 😂

anyway, i was always under the impression cass was above xavier in terms of tp. haven't they had direct battles in the past where cass was shown to be stronger?

Originally posted by leonidas
but it would have been worth it. 😂

anyway, i was always under the impression cass was above xavier in terms of tp. haven't they had direct battles in the past where cass was shown to be stronger?

Hah 😛

She's above him from what we've been shown in comics.