Sentry vs. Gladiator

Originally posted by carver9
Sentry never died by Thor alone. Thor had so much help in that fight (including an amp) that its ridiculous. If Void wanted Thor dead, it would have happened when he had Thor in that death grip spitting out blood.

Hell, Thor hit Sentry/Void with his best shot before the beginning of his fight with the avengers and he tanked that sh**. You all are in denial.

Thor get ripped in half like Ares did.

As for the fight... Gladiator isn't in Sentrys league.

So much help like vague Norn Stone amps, hellicarriers and meta and street levelers throwing shit at Void when Thor was the only herald class hero there. Not to mention Thor wasn't at 100% for the initial fight as he barely had time to recover from the U-Foes/Dark Avengers assault. And that's Void, anyway, as stated in the rules as how we're supposed to discuss Sentry.

He didn't "tank" anything. Thor damaged Voidtry's form.

I highly doubt that as Thor's durability >>>>>>>>> Ares and Loki.

I'm surprised. No really, I am.

Originally posted by carver9
What was funny about that? Everything I said was true. Thor STRUGGLED to take Terrax out of a fight and he has also had fits with absorbing man. Sentry ran through these two like candy. Sentry also stalemated a Hulk that is far more powerful than any Hulk Thor has faced. Hell, Thor got beat to sleep from Savage Hulk with his own hammer. WWH>Savage Hulk.

Sentry is more powerful and he is also more powerful than Gladiator as well.

Based on your record of saying funny things, Carver.

Would you like me to name all the times Sentry has struggled? Trying to lowball does you no credit.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So much help like vague Norn Stone amps, hellicarriers and meta and street levelers throwing shit at Void when Thor was the only herald class hero there. Not to mention Thor wasn't at 100% for the initial fight as he barely had time to recover from the U-Foes/Dark Avengers assault. And that's Void, anyway, as stated in the rules as how we're supposed to discuss Sentry.

He didn't "tank" anything. Thor damaged Voidtry's form.

I highly doubt that as Thor's durability >>>>>>>>> Ares and Loki.

I'm surprised. No really, I am.

have u seen any other appearance of the void?...cuz it seems u really have little knowledge here

Originally posted by bbrem123
have u seen any other appearance of the void?...cuz it seems u really have little knowledge here

Yeah, I have, actually, and considering this is "Sentry" in this thread and not "Void", who are essentially two different characters for the purposes of debating on the forum here, your question is moot. Don't presume to know what I've read and not read, please.

classic sentry was a beast too...he is beyond gladiator imo

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, I have, actually, and considering this is "Sentry" in this thread and not "Void", who are essentially two different characters for the purposes of debating on the forum here, your question is moot. Don't presume to know what I've read and not read, please.

well know what ur talking about next time and i wont...thanks 👆

Originally posted by bbrem123
well know what ur talking about next time and i wont...thanks 👆

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Yeah, I've read Siege and Sentry's minis as well as his portrayal under Bendis and other writers. So I think I'm quite knowledgeable on the character in spite of my dislike of him. I'm not going to argue Voidtry or the Void ala Siege being < Thor; he was shown to be superior in that fight, but based on nothing he did is he going to tear Thor in half ala Ares or Loki, both people his durability far and away curbstomps in comparison.

And seeing as this is Sentry being discussed in the thread...

It doesn't really matter anyway.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So much help like vague Norn Stone amps, hellicarriers and meta and street levelers throwing shit at Void when Thor was the only herald class hero there. Not to mention Thor wasn't at 100% for the initial fight as he barely had time to recover from the U-Foes/Dark Avengers assault. And that's Void, anyway, as stated in the rules as how we're supposed to discuss Sentry.

He didn't "tank" anything. Thor damaged Voidtry's form.

I highly doubt that as Thor's durability >>>>>>>>> Ares and Loki.

I'm surprised. No really, I am.

Yeah, Norn Stones that amped a high herald to unknown levels and metas to unknown levels.

Why wasn't Thor at 100%? He had PLENTY of time to heal. Well, I guess I can say that Void/Sentry wasn't at 100% since before this he was fighting cnstantly, even asgardians and before Voiding out, he took a direct hammer shot from Thor that lit the sky. Void was at 80 to 90% then.

By the way, they did damage to the Void during the time they received their amps.

Thor durability is greater than Ares but you are over exaggerating a bit. Even writers has stated that Ares and Thor are physically close to each other.

Why are you surprised? I know who is and isn't above Glads, I'm not biased at all.

sentry wins this.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Based on your record of saying funny things, Carver.

Would you like me to name all the times Sentry has struggled? Trying to lowball does you no credit.

Lol... I wasn't being funny Jake.

You can name everything that Sentry struggled against but it will not help your argument. Sentry and Thor never faced each other so "I" am basing who is more powerful by looking at the similar/same foes they fought which is a good style of debating instead of second guessing.

The people I've named, Thor had trouble from them... these same people got beat in a couple of panels by a holding back Sentry (except Hulk). If "that doesn't answer your question on "who is more powerful", then you are truly being biased and Jake, from me seeing your debating style, in my eyes, you are one of the least biased peeps on the forum.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, Norn Stones that amped a high herald to unknown levels and metas to unknown levels.

Why wasn't Thor at 100%? He had PLENTY of time to heal. Well, I guess I can say that Void/Sentry wasn't at 100% since before this he was fighting cnstantly, even asgardians and before Voiding out, he took a direct hammer shot from Thor that lit the sky. Void was at 80 to 90% then.

By the way, they did damage to the Void during the time they received their amps.

Thor durability is greater than Ares but you are over exaggerating a bit. Even writers has stated that Ares and Thor are physically close to each other.

Why are you surprised? I know who is and isn't above Glads, I'm not biased at all.

Based on their history, Norn Stone do not a high herald make. It was clear, very clear, that Thor was the primary source of damage.

Because he got beat down by the U-Foes/Dark Avengers/Osborn's Cronies. Seeing as Siege took place in a single day, Thor getting rocked until he encountered Sentry was hardly enough time for him to fully heal. He was in bad shape, and that needs to be taken into context when we look at that scuffle between him and Voidtry. Voidtry is also > Thor to begin with. How far is what people are debating on. The damage Thor endured was greater than that of Sentry, who really never faced anyone capable of being a threat to him or his well being.

How much damage? Do you know? And based on the art and story, it was clearly Thor being shown to be the driving force of the heroes' offense.

Uh, no, Thor's durability blows Loki and Ares' out of the water. Bendis spouting they're equal is bullshit when you look at actual feats. I'm not exaggerating shit. There is no compare at the end of the day.

Lol, ok.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I wasn't being funny Jake.

You can name everything that Sentry struggled against but it will not help your argument. Sentry and Thor never faced each other so "I" am basing who is more powerful by looking at the similar/same foes they fought which is a good style of debating instead of second guessing.

The people I've named, Thor had trouble from them... these same people got beat in a couple of panels by a holding back Sentry (except Hulk). If "that doesn't answer your question on "who is more powerful", then you are truly being biased and Jake, from me seeing your debating style, in my eyes, you are one of the least biased peeps on the forum.

Okay.

Why not? I can show Thor beating people far more powerful than Terrax and Hulk. Then what?

And Thor holds back quite a damn bit, too. If you go feat for feat with "classic/ non-void" Sentry and Thor, considering histories as a whole, I don't see how you can claim Sentry is clearly more powerful than Thor. Voidtry or Void, sure, why not, but Sentry?

I guess my issue is that you give Sentry 7/10 here against Gladiator, whom you in the same breath would give the win over Superman. Which doesn't really make sense to me, tbh.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Based on their history, Norn Stone do not a high herald make. It was clear, very clear, that Thor was the primary source of damage.

Because he got beat down by the U-Foes/Dark Avengers/Osborn's Cronies. Seeing as Siege took place in a single day, Thor getting rocked until he encountered Sentry was hardly enough time for him to fully heal. He was in bad shape, and that needs to be taken into context when we look at that scuffle between him and Voidtry. Voidtry is also > Thor to begin with. How far is what people are debating on. The damage Thor endured was greater than that of Sentry, who really never faced anyone capable of being a threat to him or his well being.

How much damage? Do you know? And based on the art and story, it was clearly Thor being shown to be the driving force of the heroes' offense.

Uh, no, Thor's durability blows Loki and Ares' out of the water. Bendis spouting they're equal is bullshit when you look at actual feats. I'm not exaggerating shit. There is no compare at the end of the day.

Lol, ok.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Okay.

Why not? I can show Thor beating people far more powerful than Terrax and Hulk. Then what?

And Thor holds back quite a damn bit, too. If you go feat for feat with "classic/ non-void" Sentry and Thor, considering histories as a whole, I don't see how you can claim Sentry is clearly more powerful than Thor. Voidtry or Void, sure, why not, but Sentry?

I guess my issue is that you give Sentry 7/10 here against Gladiator, whom you in the same breath would give the win over Superman. Which doesn't really make sense to me, tbh.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Yeah, I've read Siege and Sentry's minis as well as his portrayal under Bendis and other writers. So I think I'm quite knowledgeable on the character in spite of my dislike of him. I'm not going to argue Voidtry or the Void ala Siege being < Thor; he was shown to be superior in that fight, but based on nothing he did is he going to tear Thor in half ala Ares or Loki, both people his durability far and away curbstomps in comparison.

And seeing as this is Sentry being discussed in the thread...

It doesn't really matter anyway.

classic strange and Reed were shitting their pants over the void and could do nothing to stop him, and its been shown more then once that thor was usless against void, guess u missed that in mini series

siege and his mini's series are not all showings...so i guess u dont know as much as u thought.... 😬

its been shown several times that the only way to stop void is with bob...its pretty clear man...siege was no different

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Okay.

Why not? I can show Thor beating people far more powerful than Terrax and Hulk. Then what?

And Thor holds back quite a damn bit, too. If you go feat for feat with "classic/ non-void" Sentry and Thor, considering histories as a whole, I don't see how you can claim Sentry is clearly more powerful than Thor. Voidtry or Void, sure, why not, but Sentry?

I guess my issue is that you give Sentry 7/10 here against Gladiator, whom you in the same breath would give the win over Superman. Which doesn't really make sense to me, tbh.

You don't get it Jake. You probably could show Thor defeating more powerful people but that still doesn't change the fact that Sentry has faced the same people Thor faced and did better. Surfer fought and defeated people more powerful than Thor but that still doesn't change the fact that Surfer would lose to Thor. Do you get it now Jake. Sentrys performance against the same peeps Thor fought is more impressive.

Thor does hold back but he had every intention on dropping AM and Terrax along with Hulk who was stomping the Avengers.

Sentry is more powerful than Thor and have proven this. Just because Sentry never faced the same peeps that Thor faced doesn't take away from the fact that the people that they did face Sentry outclassed him.

Sentry is more powerful than Supes, Thor, and Glads imo so why wouldn't i give Sentry the majority over Supes as well?

Originally posted by bbrem123
classic strange and Reed were shitting their pants over the void and could do nothing to stop him, and its been shown more then once that thor was usless against void, guess u missed that in mini series

siege and his mini's series are not all showings...so i guess u dont know as much as u thought.... 😬

its been shown several times that the only way to stop void is with bob...its pretty clear man...siege was no different

Yeah? And? What does that have to with anything being discussed about Sentry?

Didn't say they were. Nice strawman.

So if Bob was faced against virtually any character, it would be Bob and Bob alone who dictates how it's going to end?

Originally posted by carver9
You don't get it Jake. You probably could show Thor defeating more powerful people but that still doesn't change the fact that Sentry has faced the same people Thor faced and did better. Surfer fought and defeated people more powerful than Thor but that still doesn't change the fact that Surfer would lose to Thor. Do you get it now Jake. Sentrys performance against the same peeps Thor fought is more impressive.

Thor does hold back but he had every intention on dropping AM and Terrax along with Hulk who was stomping the Avengers.

Sentry is more powerful than Thor and have proven this. Just because Sentry never faced the same peeps that Thor faced doesn't take away from the fact that the people that they did face Sentry outclassed him.

Sentry is more powerful than Supes, Thor, and Glads imo so why wouldn't i give Sentry the majority over Supes as well?

Him fighting the same people Thor did with apparent better ease doesn't make him more powerful, though. Which is why you look at character histories as a whole instead of fixating on specific fights. His performance against those specific people might have been more impressive, but that in of itself doesn't make him > Thor.

Thor's also tooled AM before and Thor as a rule holds back a great deal of his overall power against Hulk.

I strongly disagree, especially if we're using Sentry w/o Void feats.

See the above.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Based on their history, Norn Stone do not a high herald make. It was clear, very clear, that Thor was the primary source of damage.

Because he got beat down by the U-Foes/Dark Avengers/Osborn's Cronies. Seeing as Siege took place in a single day, Thor getting rocked until he encountered Sentry was hardly enough time for him to fully heal. He was in bad shape, and that needs to be taken into context when we look at that scuffle between him and Voidtry. Voidtry is also > Thor to begin with. How far is what people are debating on. The damage Thor endured was greater than that of Sentry, who really never faced anyone capable of being a threat to him or his well being.

How much damage? Do you know? And based on the art and story, it was clearly Thor being shown to be the driving force of the heroes' offense.

Uh, no, Thor's durability blows Loki and Ares' out of the water. Bendis spouting they're equal is bullshit when you look at actual feats. I'm not exaggerating shit. There is no compare at the end of the day.

Lol, ok.

thor took greater damage? how so?...sentry got stab in the side by an axe...

driving force?...pretty sure everybody with the amp did similar damage...and all the other heros were obviously beyond herald level since they did more damage then a non amp thor(who is high herald) am i wrong?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah? And? What does that have to with anything being discussed about Sentry?

Didn't say they were. Nice strawman.

So if Bob was faced against virtually any character, it would be Bob and Bob alone who dictates how it's going to end?

shows sentry can end a treat thor cant

jsut pointing out u dont know that much about void

and didnt say that...ur putting words in my mouth...said every appearance of void has gone like that...and thor was there for some encounters...making siege no different then previous times

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Him fighting the same people Thor did with apparent better ease doesn't make him more powerful, though. Which is why you look at character histories as a whole instead of fixating on specific fights. His performance against those specific people might have been more impressive, but that in of itself doesn't make him > Thor.

Thor's also tooled AM before and Thor as a rule holds back a great deal of his overall power against Hulk.

I strongly disagree, especially if we're using Sentry w/o Void feats.

See the above.

we are using classic sentry no?...he also held back a great deal...also classic sentry didnt have many feats... imo sentry seemed beyond thor by what was shown...not saying it is a stomp by any means tho...just think sentry has the nod over thor