Characters Statements vs Hyperbole

Has there ever been an instance in Anime where a character states that he can do something but failed to do it? This incident cannot involve plot.

Example...Frieza tried to destroy planet Namek but before this attempt, he was hit by the spirit bomb and admitted that he depleted himself of all his power while trying to escape.

This thread isn't about boasting. Boasting and Hyperbole are 2 different things and ALL characters boast but it doesn't discredit their power levels.

The moral of this thread is to see if Hyperbole exist in Anime.

The moral of this thread is to see if Hyperbole exist in Anime.

Of course there is. There's countless times when someone says they or someone else can do something but then never does anything of the stated level or even near it.

Actually buying their own hyperbole and trying to move faster than light when they can't or trying to blow up a planet when they can't is a lot rarer- they know what they can actually do roughly, after all.

So if a anime character say they can move at light or destroy a planet... would you take it at face value or would you discredit the statement?

Boasting.

Boasting is kind of different when you have someone shooting a blast and stating that his blast is capable of destroying a planet. That's giving us the "only" description of how powerful the attack is that this character shot. We have no other way of determining how powerful this blast is so why call it boasting when the character KNOWS how much power he is putting behind his blast.

If ^ is the top of a verse full of high-hypersonic and country busting people then its probably true.

Unless shown or strongly hinted to, all that gives is a possible potential and a general idea of what they can or may be able to do.

Strong hint is character A stating that he can blow up a continent, then blows up a mountain with ''not even a fraction of his power.'' Can assume he's being literal.

Originally posted by BloodRain
If ^ is the top of a verse full of high-hypersonic and country busting people then its probably true.

Unless shown or strongly hinted to, all that gives is a possible potential and a general idea of what they can or may be able to do.

Strong hint is character A stating that he can blow up a continent, then blows up a mountain with ''not even a fraction of his power.'' Can assume he's being literal.

But what if said character lives off of a power chart? Kind of like DBZ and YuYu along with bleach and other character. Its kind of different comparing them to U.S comics because with anime, you HAVE to be more powerful in order to create more damage than someone that is inferior. Now in U.S. comics, you actually have some less powerful beings being capable of dishing out far more energy out. Example, Surfer has casually destroyed planets but even though Thanos doesn't have these showings, he is still more powerful. These rules doesn't apply to anime so again, if a weaker character is able to shed a planet, why not believe a stronger character could destroy a sun if we actually go by the power chart in anime?

Originally posted by carver9
So if a anime character say they can move at light or destroy a planet... would you take it at face value or would you discredit the statement?

If they've never done something similar of scale and never do the whatever, it's generally hyperbole.

For example, take Negima. One bit... well, it's not so much hyperbole as simple error, but Chamo says Negi in lightning mode moves as fast as a lightning bolt and gives their speed, but as we see it in real action, it's clear that while a lot faster than normal, it's not that fast. Chamo was simply wrong and probably not taking into account that even with lightning form on, Negi has a lot more mass than a real lightning bolt, it's just a partial transformation.

Or One Piece, when Sengoku talked about Whitebeard being able to destroy the world. That's certainly hyperbole, as the quake-quake fruit has never shown more than island busting (and even then, the island it hits was shaken and damaged, not destroyed). At most, he could've been talking about destroying the world in the "World government represents the world," sense, or in the "can go around and destroy all civilization on any island he could reach if so inclined," sense, but the planet as a whole is most definitely safe.

BloodRain
If ^ is the top of a verse full of high-hypersonic and country busting people then its probably true.

If a show has people who are only high-hypersonic and country busting, and someone claims lightspeed and planet busting without doing either, then unless everyone else combined is absolutely nothing to them in a fight, it's false.

Neither hypersonic nor country busting are within 0.1% of lightspeed and planet busting, after all.

Thanos and Drax fighting physically destroyed a planet actually.

Just saying man.

I AM JUST SAYING.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Thanos and Drax fighting physically destroyed a planet actually.

Just saying man.

I AM JUST SAYING.

😆

I get what you are saying (it was actually a planetoid) but that was a shared feat. Drax rambed Thanos and the bottom half of the planet busted open. Surfer has actually powered up and destroyed a planet and he has also destroyed one with a blast.

Thanos doesn't share those feats.

A damn good feat given that was Thanos's weakest form, too.

High-hypersonic that borders on relativistic I meant. Should have said where on the hypersonic range. If even the lower heroes can do that then its not a stretch that the big bad can do what he says.

Originally posted by BloodRain
High-hypersonic that borders on relativistic I meant. Should have said where on the hypersonic range. If even the lower heroes can do that then its not a stretch that the big bad can do what he says.

Well, here's a thing: Almost nothing in manga 'borders on relativistic'.

Single-digit mach is pretty normal for the big shounen fight manga. A high-speed series tends to be in the 20-30 mach range. Some more-so.

Mach 500 isn't remotely near relativistic.

Originally posted by Q99
If they've never done something similar of scale and never do the whatever, it's generally hyperbole.

For example, take Negima. One bit... well, it's not so much hyperbole as simple error, but Chamo says Negi in lightning mode moves as fast as a lightning bolt and gives their speed, but as we see it in real action, it's clear that while a lot faster than normal, it's not that fast. Chamo was simply wrong and probably not taking into account that even with lightning form on, Negi has a lot more mass than a real lightning bolt, it's just a partial transformation.

Or One Piece, when Sengoku talked about Whitebeard being able to destroy the world. That's certainly hyperbole, as the quake-quake fruit has never shown more than island busting (and even then, the island it hits was shaken and damaged, not destroyed). At most, he could've been talking about destroying the world in the "World government represents the world," sense, or in the "can go around and destroy all civilization on any island he could reach if so inclined," sense, but the planet as a whole is most definitely safe.

If a show has people who are only high-hypersonic and country busting, and someone claims lightspeed and planet busting without doing either, then unless everyone else combined is absolutely nothing to them in a fight, it's false.

Neither hypersonic nor country busting are within 0.1% of lightspeed and planet busting, after all.

That's kind of different than an object being given a power level. Example... during Goku and Vegeta fight during the Saiyan saga Vegeta blast was stated as being planet busting. Would consider that Hyperbole? Another example... Ichigo being trapped by an attack that was stated as being capable of warping time and space... would you consider that Hyperbole? Or Yu Yu shooting a blast that was stated as being planet busting?

Someone being stated that he could destroy the world can mean a thousand things and we really wouldn't know how he would destroy it but if someone said that they have enough power to shed a world, that's kind of different imo involving anime characters... epecially Anime characters that live off of power scaling.

Originally posted by Q99
Well, here's a thing: Almost nothing in manga 'borders on relativistic'.

Single-digit mach is pretty normal for the big shounen fight manga. A high-speed series tends to be in the 20-30 mach range. Some more-so.

Mach 500 isn't remotely near relativistic.

Originally posted by carver9
That's kind of different than an object being given a power level. Example... during Goku and Vegeta fight during the Saiyan saga Vegeta blast was stated as being planet busting. Would consider that Hyperbole?

We know moon busting has been done before, and we know stronger characters definitely could.

At most he's exaggerating a little. He might not be talking "make the planet explode," but he can definitely kill the surface if he wants to. So it might or might not be hyperbole.

Another example... Ichigo being trapped by an attack that was stated as being capable of warping time and space... would you consider that Hyperbole?

Bleach has space warping abilities. No reason to think someone claiming a known ability is hyperbole.

Or Yu Yu shooting a blast that was stated as being planet busting?

That, on the other hand, is probably hyperbole, because even the biggest, most destructive moves seen don't do that much damage. Planets are big and tough things.

Someone being stated that he could destroy the world can mean a thousand things and we really wouldn't know how he would destroy it but if someone said that they have enough power to shed a world, that's kind of different imo involving anime characters... epecially Anime characters that live off of power scaling.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say there. Could you re-phrase that?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Thats all well and good, but Im talking about a hypothetical verse where characters are of that speed for the hypothetical question he gave.

If a capability is only moderately above existing ones, then it's probably not hyperbole (but still could be, as some characters do exaggerate).

Could be but a more likely its true.

On the Vegeta/Earth thing, not too sure. Earths only 80x the Moons mass, with the strength difference of him and Roshi he should be able to destroy us all. Thought DBZ's weird like that..

Originally posted by BloodRain
Could be but a more likely its true.

On the Vegeta/Earth thing, not too sure. Earths only 80x the Moons mass, with the strength difference of him and Roshi he should be able to destroy us all. Thought DBZ's weird like that..

Honestly DBZ suffers from "fragile planetoid syndrome."

Nothing they do except moons and planets does damage comparable to what they do to moons and planets. And Roshi blowing up the moon so early on really throws off the scaling in the series.

Especially how at full power he was shocked when he destroyed that mountain.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Could be but a more likely its true.

On the Vegeta/Earth thing, not too sure. Earths only 80x the Moons mass, with the strength difference of him and Roshi he should be able to destroy us all. Thought DBZ's weird like that..

Yeah, but when you get into the the sextillion-septillion range, an increase in mass by a factor of 80 is a very huge one.

That said, I also believe that Vegeta could at the very least have destroyed all life on Earth with that attack, but it's weird how attacks that overpower 'planet/solar system busting' attacks do not cause such devastation.

Originally posted by carver9
The moral of this thread is to see if Hyperbole exist in Anime.

Hyperbole can exist anywhere, even in manga/anime.