Captain America vs. (Classic) Kingpin

Originally posted by ankur29
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i call PIS on fisk even being a challenge to SM
he had no super powers wth, no idea why he could hang with pete
realistically a fight between the two would be like evan's (captain america) vs Bale's (batman)

Spidey's strength was ill defined, and he holds back. But Kingpin also held his own briefly with Silvermane, who's class 10. The writer even had The Answer comment on how incredible the feat was.

Fisk still has more then enough feats to put him above peak human level, strength wise, in the same way Cassandra Cain is only theoretically street level, but her feats put her comfortably above it.

Originally posted by Bentley
Steve wins an slight majority in both. Bucky loses in h2h unless he gets his murder intent, in which case he just murders Kingpin. In a non h2h combat Bucky just guns him down.

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Can a normal human do this?

Moves a beam that weights a ton, with one arm.

Yanks up a rug weighed down by furniture like it's nothing.

Snaps solid steel beams with his bare hands, and picks up the mass of metal with Spidey on it.

Pushed Spidey right through a cement wall.

Yeah, Classic KP was a beast.

Here's his fight with Red Skull:

Shrugs off pressure point attacks, and clearly physically dominates.

Here's a fight with Daredevil:

Actually wore himself out beating on his head with a nightstick.

And finally, here's a fight with Cap himself:

It's no fluke, classic Fisk was regularly portrayed above peak human.

^ Cap is also above peak human. Not Batman, Nightwing, Daredevil, or Fisk is gonna descend 20 stories high from an air craft to the ground unassisted; no injury or sign of pain. These are things Cap, James and Slade do and have more than once; if not from an air craft, they have from and out of buildings (20 stories and higher). I'm glad writers with common sense saw that Fist goin toe to toe with Spidey physically goes against common sense.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
^ Cap is also above peak human. Not Batman, Nightwing, Daredevil, or Fisk is gonna descend 20 stories high from an air craft to the ground unassisted; no injury or sign of pain.

Fisk probably can, considering he's also had buildings collapse on him before and walked away (That he himself caused to collapse by breaking support beams)

Originally posted by Marvelknight
^ Cap is also above peak human. Not Batman, Nightwing, Daredevil, or Fisk is gonna descend 20 stories high from an air craft to the ground unassisted; no injury or sign of pain.

Cap has many low showings, unlike Classic KP. "Optimum power level" rule means Fisk wins.

Originally posted by cdtm
Here's his fight with Red Skull:

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cap has many low showings, unlike Classic KP. "Optimum power level" rule means Fisk wins.

So it's just physical strength we're going by or overall skill along with their abilities? Hasn't Cap had his moments against Spidey along with others class 10 and above? If this is Cap at his best, Fisk has the fight of his life right now, and could lose...

Cap at his best destroys Fisk.

not sure about destroys, but i really don't see how fisk represents anything new at all. cap has fought and beaten FAR stronger and far bigger. he's fought and beat guys more skilled, and literally hundreds of guys with legit (and some uber) superpowers. fisk would be tough, and could take some, but i can't see him taking cap for a majority in any way.