Marvels most versatile character...

Originally posted by dmills
You raise a good point about threat types. Perhaps Thor has a power set better suited to deal with magic. So wouldn't you say that his effective versatility surpasses Norrin since Thor can respond effectively to any situation including, magic?

I interpreted versatility as the array of techniques one can deploy in battle, not as the ability to deal with the widest array of situations. For instance, it is clear that Thanos can deal with pretty much any kind of threat: magical, physical, cosmic, psionic, you name it. However, it terms of combat, while he has displayed a little matter manipulation, he is really all about punching and blasting, so I'd say that even though he can deal with any situation, he is not that versatile compared to Surfer and Thor. Given this defintion of versatility, I'd say he is more versatile than Thor because he has a wider array of options.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
If we cap it at HH I'd say Thor.

Surfer has more powers but in terms of 'combat effectiveness' Thor has him beat IMO. Thor has an admirably balanced fighting powerset.

"More versatile in terms of combat effectiveness" seems to be implying two different things.

Surfer, at least imo, is more "versatile" than Thor. Thor, on the other hand, is more "combat effective," though he normally does it through more primitive means.

Originally posted by batdude123
"More versatile in terms of combat effectiveness" seems to be implying two different things.

Surfer, at least imo, is more "versatile" than Thor. Thor, on the other hand, is more "combat effective," though he normally does it through more primitive means.

Originally posted by Simbon
OK, I think I see what you mean. In that case, Apocalypse, in spite of his vastly inferior power, should probably have a place on the list.

Originally posted by batdude123
"More versatile in terms of combat effectiveness" seems to be implying two different things.

Surfer, at least imo, is more "versatile" than Thor. Thor, on the other hand, is more "combat effective," though he normally does it through more primitive means.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I took it to mean versatile as in 'good to go in more kinds of combat situations'

This question is turning out to be more nuanced then I initially thought. Can't we achieve a happy medium?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I took it to mean versatile as in 'good to go in more kinds of combat situations'

mmm

In that case, yeah, I may give it to Thor over Surfer in the big picture.

Originally posted by batdude123
mmm

In that case, yeah, I may give it to Thor over Surfer in the big picture.

Nah. I wasn't going for match up based power sets, although I can certainly see the temptation for going there. Shyte its already unraveling lol.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Fighting someone like Thanos for instance.

True, but then again, styles make fights. I'd give Surfer better odds against certain opponents than I would Thor.

Originally posted by dmills
Nah. I wasn't going for match up based power sets, although I can certainly see the temptation for going there. Shyte its already unraveling lol.

Then may I ask what exactly are you looking for here?

Originally posted by dmills
In a dynamic sense. For the purposes of the thread power level doesn't matter. For example, both Thor and Nova have energy absorption feats/showings. Thor wins hands down in sheer volume of energy absorbed, however I think Rich uses his more effectively in the flow of live combat and in the number of ways he can apply it.

Then I'd say Magneto and Dr. Doom follow.

Then some of the high heralds- Thor, Genis Vell and X-Man would all be contenders.

@batdude,

I was originally going for most versatile power sets in the midst of real time combat, hence its relative effectiveness. But I now realize that the question itself is a bit more nuanced (or dumb) then I originally thought.

For example. Norrin is in a fast paced fight with say, the Sentry. The fight is fast and fierce. Soon however, Bob begins to gain the upper hand physically, so Norrin decides to switch tactics in the midst of the struggle. He slows Bob's metabolism down to a crawl and then attacks him on a psionic level, thus giving him the win. That's an example of the type of dynamic combat versatility that I'm speaking of.

Originally posted by dmills
I was going for most versatile power sets in the midst of real time combat, hence its relative effectiveness. But I now realize that the question itself is a bit more nuanced (or dumb) then I originally thought.

For example. Norrin is in a fast paced fight with say, the Sentry. The fight is fast and fierce. Soon however, Bob begins to gain the upper hand physically, so Norrin decides to switch tactics in the midst of the struggle. He slows Bob's metabolism down to a crawl and then attacks him on a psionic level, thus giving him the win. That's an example of the type of dynamic combat versatility that I'm speaking of.

I see.

So what's the power limit here?

Capped at HH.

Originally posted by Mindset
Genis

Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh yeah. I think he wins.

Vision

super strength, density manipulation, flight, energy projection, energy and holographic manipulation, shapeshifting, and time travel.

as far as metas go, he's head and shoulders over the rest imo

For characters like Doom are you counting armor?

If so, it's hard to be more versatile than he is.

Tech based power sets are fine, but to be clear, I'm not talking about prep. Whatever Doom has at his disposal normally is fine though. Just keep in mind though that this is as much about combat effectiveness as it is about general power set versatility.

Doom doesn't need prep to be versatile.

Energy manip
Energy projection
Time Travel
Flight
Super strength
Force fields

And this is just his suit, with magic he can summon, teleport beings, open dimensions, etc.

Originally posted by Mindset
Doom doesn't need prep to be versatile.

Energy manip
Energy projection
Time Travel
Flight
Super strength
Force fields

And this is just his suit, with magic he can summon, teleport beings, open dimensions, etc.

Looks good. But how combat effective is he with all of that? Can he transition between those abilities effortlessly in the heat of battle? Here's an analogy you'd appreciate. Can he transition from the striking, to the clinch, to wrestling, to jujitsu and back to stand up striking without breaking a sweat 😉