Marvels most versatile character...

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Originally posted by dmills
Looks good. But how combat effective is he with all of that? Can he transition between those abilities effortlessly in the heat of battle? Here's an analogy you'd appreciate. Can he transition from the striking, to the clinch, to wrestling , to jujitsu and back to stand up striking without breaking a sweat 😉

Originally posted by Mindset
Yes.
In MA he went right from using his tech based powers to magic w/o hesitation.

Originally posted by dmills
Is that the fight where he was owning everyone until Bob got pissed? Damnit I've been trying to add that to my collection but my lcs doesn't have the issue on back order.

But I think this was around the time they were beginning to push Sentry to be a supreme power on Marvel Earth, so I'll accept it.

mandarin

Originally posted by dmills
Doesn't his powerset generally revolve around his shapeshifting abilities? Not to say that he isn't versatile, but compared to the overall power sets of some of the others how does he stack up i.e. matter manip, energy manip, gravity etc?

Yes, but doesn't Zatanna's versatility revolve around magic? 🙂 Actually poccy's got lots of other feats, but they tend to emphasize his versatility rather than overall power. He's got:

1) first-class shape-shifting, and related abilities (flight, making weapons, etc.)
2) class 100 strength and durability
3) energy projection, absorption, manipulation
4) teleportation
5) phasing
6) vague-ass feats
7) tk (though this may count as 6)
8) wind-breath
9) in a non-cannon event he projected some kind of gas out of his hands that incapacitated the x-men
10) size alteration (although people exaggerate this)

He's not making the top of the list by any means, but if we are going by the array of options he has at his disposal in a fight, and his ability to go from one to the other, he is definitely in the running for a position on the list.

Originally posted by Simbon
Yes, but doesn't Zatanna's versatility revolve around magic? 🙂 Actually poccy's got lots of other feats, but they tend to emphasize his versatility rather than overall power. He's got:

1) first-class shape-shifting, and related abilities (flight, making weapons, etc.)
2) class 100 strength and durability
3) energy projection, absorption, manipulation
4) teleportation
5) phasing
6) vague-ass feats
7) tk (though this may count as 6)
8) wind-breath
9) in a non-cannon event he projected some kind of gas out of his hands that incapacitated the x-men
10) size alteration (although people exaggerate this)

He's not making the top of the list by any means, but if we are going by the array of options he has at his disposal in a fight, and his ability to go from one to the other, he is definitely in the running for a position on the list.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, he kinda jobbed at the end, even considering Sentry's powers.

But I think this was around the time they were beginning to push Sentry to be a supreme power on Marvel Earth, so I'll accept it.

You'd have to ask OneDumbGo that, I haven't read comics in awhile.

In all seriousness...

Hulk.

Nah, the Thing.

Dont sleep on Xman... From "planck time" to psi armors to tp to wuteva...

Originally posted by Simbon
Yes, but doesn't Zatanna's versatility revolve around magic? 🙂 Actually poccy's got lots of other feats, but they tend to emphasize his versatility rather than overall power. He's got:

1) first-class shape-shifting, and related abilities (flight, making weapons, etc.)
2) class 100 strength and durability
3) energy projection, absorption, manipulation
4) teleportation
5) phasing
6) vague-ass feats
7) tk (though this may count as 6)
8) wind-breath
9) in a non-cannon event he projected some kind of gas out of his hands that incapacitated the x-men
10) size alteration (although people exaggerate this)

He's not making the top of the list by any means, but if we are going by the array of options he has at his disposal in a fight, and his ability to go from one to the other, he is definitely in the running for a position on the list.

Isn't Apocalypse powers "the ability to grant himself any kind of power"? He can basically do anything.

Apoc isn't written at that level, sadly. 🙁 If he had someone compedent writing him, he's easily in the top guys contending for this title.

Sin: Mandarin and Classic Vision are great examples. Current Vision isn't nearly as good at using them as the original. Mandarin for sure.

I want to say Cable, but right now I am riding the X-Man bandwagon, simply because despite being properly untrained he showed us much. Imagine if someone like Cable ever passed off his experience on to X-Man. /monster.

You are a weapon, Nate. Make no mistake about that…the most wondrous, enchanted, limitless, weapon this world has yet to see wielded. - Mr. Sinister (X-Man #19)

The Ultimate Telekine designed with a doomsday weapon for a mind. The climax of the evolution of weapons. - Queen Jean (X-Man #68)

Nate Grey is a biological weapon. He was developed to be the most powerful combat telekine in the world. Any World. - Warren Ellis Notes: From Counter X vol. 3

As you can see from the in panel comments, and off panel by the writer himself. Nate was intended to be a weapon from the very beginning. X-Man is something designed to commit mega death. A Nate Grey is a thing meant to expunge life from entire worlds, or destroy the planet outright. So there is a cool premise to Nate being this combat bio weapon from the get go.

I could give you a long list of what he has done. Most of it can be found his respect thread linked on my sig. But its his subtle uses of telepathy that are impresses me the most.

Nate mind controls, and installs a memory implant. If the implant is fought or tempered with, Raptide mind will explode.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8334/xman013large18.jpg

Nate forces Venom to manifest his frozen state “Psychosomatically”
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/124/darkxmen003006.jpg

I've always hated Nate, trying to steal Cable's thunder. sneer

Nate is a very powerful character... he is up there with Surfer.

Originally posted by Mindset
I've always hated Nate, trying to steal Cable's thunder. sneer

X-Man is to Kyle what Cable is to Hal. peaches

Originally posted by dmills
This battle is for the title of Marvel's most versatile character in terms of combat effectiveness. The criteria is as such. What character(s) has demonstrated the most dynamic power set in the pace of all out combat. I'm not asking for who's the biggest swiss army knife, but rather who are the character(s) that have most effectively displayed/used different abilities in the flow of dynamic combat situations.

Keep in mind that we're discussing dynamic applications of power sets, not heady solutions in the midst of battle ala spiderman or Reed Richards. However, tactical applications of power sets do count; i.e.;

What I'm hoping to do is perhaps build a consensus top 5. Then i'll do a DC/Wildstorm version. Then a cross company version. However I fully expect this to unravel into shyte, but a guy can dream can't he?

Anyhow, my nominees in no particular order are;

Blackbolt
Quasar
Norrin
Nova Prime
Thor

As usual if I've missed anyone of note feel free to chime in. Who's the best of the bunch? What's your order? Oh and NO ONE ABOVE HIGH HERALD PLEASE!