Originally posted by Pinkie PieSince many churches are full of many mentally ill or people with lots of problems they hope god will solve, it is pretty conceivable that the crazies will read more into the teachings and then act on them. Otherwise, many are just ignorant.
And the extremists often forget the fundamentals of their religion 😛
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
The main difference (and only real one) is that "fault" is cause, but with a negative implication. "Who's at fault!?" clearly implies that somebody screwed up, and won't be rewarded for what they caused.
I think fault also implies some type of intelligent actor, whereas a cause can be anything.
To relate it to the thread, whether or not a religion might have some facets that cause people to act violently, the religion as a conceptual entity really can't be "blamed" in the sense that it bares moral or legal responsibility.
Guns might not be responsible for killing people, but they play a remarkably important role in people getting shot
Originally posted by TacDavey
What does it matter what fault and cause mean? The point is you can't blame the gun for killing a person, you blame the person who pulled the trigger.You can really only place blame on something that has intelligence.
there are numerous studies that show the mere presence of a weapon makes people more likely to be violent.
It is reliable enough that it is known as the "weapons effect"
you can't blame it, but in understanding what caused a person to be violent, a gun is a pretty important variable.
Originally posted by inimalist
there are numerous studies that show the mere presence of a weapon makes people more likely to be violent.It is reliable enough that it is known as the "weapons effect"
you can't blame it, but in understanding what caused a person to be violent, a gun is a pretty important variable.
It's a variable, sure. But then, so is the person getting shot. I wouldn't place the blame on them either. Depending on the situation, of course.
Originally posted by TacDavey
It's a variable, sure. But then, so is the person getting shot. I wouldn't place the blame on them either. Depending on the situation, of course.
yes
the person getting shot is a very important part of someone getting shot.
hence the difference between attributing a causal relationship to something and attributing blame to something
The only thing I find very interesting about Christianity and Christians is that their book, as in written by them (so New Testament, seeing how Old Testament is Jewish) is actually quite friendly in that sense (in comparison to other Abrahamic religions).
It tells Christians to turn to other cheek, love your neighbour, help people and what not, and it isn't calling for violence, YET, Christians, for some misguided reasons have been known to flip shit and go on a violent converting sprees when their religion that isn't even telling them to do that.
Why is this?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The only thing I find very interesting about Christianity and Christians is that their book, as in written by them (so New Testament, seeing how Old Testament is Jewish) is actually quite friendly in that sense (in comparison to other Abrahamic religions).It tells Christians to turn to other cheek, love your neighbour, help people and what not, and it isn't calling for violence, YET, Christians, for some misguided reasons have been known to flip shit and go on a violent converting sprees when their religion that isn't even telling them to do that.
Why is this?
Because usually in those situations Religion and the state were linked. It's imperialism.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The only thing I find very interesting about Christianity and Christians is that their book, as in written by them (so New Testament, seeing how Old Testament is Jewish) is actually quite friendly in that sense (in comparison to other Abrahamic religions).It tells Christians to turn to other cheek, love your neighbour, help people and what not, and it isn't calling for violence, YET, Christians, for some misguided reasons have been known to flip shit and go on a violent converting sprees when their religion that isn't even telling them to do that.
Why is this?
Because people are people. Some are bad, and some are good. A lot of people will find any reason to support doing evil.
It's like asking why do some americans murder people when the law of an american citizen clearly states not to do that.
They might call themselves Christians, but they are more importantly individuals that make their own choices.