JakeTheBank
Return of the King
Originally posted by Philosophía
Wait, what? Why would I need a rebuttal to that, when I never argued otherwise? All I argued is that him using Atlas for strength is something that puts him above his normal strength levels, and thus Superman stalemating him, in that specific instance, shows that he is stronger under normal strength levels.
How does that show that all when Cap's drawn him at arm wrestling before as well as directly showed to be in his strength class during actual fights? That was one and only time Cap ever had to stack Atlas and Hercules strength to match Superman; it's never been used before or since then. That bout of arm-wrestling certainly didn't show anything beyond what Captain Marvel is capable of and the argument of Cap needing Atlas' strength + Hercules' strength to match Superman is something that we'll likely never hear again.
Originally posted by Philosophía So you counter-argument for Cap clearly amplifying his strength abnormally - using Atlas for strength instead of stamina - is to use instances that have nothing to do with this one, and showing that Cap inexplicably is still portrayed as being able to match Superman? Congratulations Jake, you're proving my point.
Prove your point that you have some kind of issue with Cap being on Superman's level? Yes, I think I have. The point is, Cap's shown progressive ability and usage of his power in addition to the amps he's got in addition to Shazam himself being upgraded as his powers were waning due to his old gods vanishing so that the Wizard could better stabilize the Rock of Eternity, which had in turn made his nexus of power even more powerful. Even in Ordway's run, the precedence for Cap growing continuously stronger/more powerful over all was set via the Wizard explaining to Billy about how Solomon's Wisdom would show him the way to better tap into his powers over time. And nice dodge behind the hiding behind "company policy" and "fanboy writers" while refusing to acknowledge it once it's been pointed out and you've been asked to elabarote and further explain you're reasoning. Because I'm certain that "DC Comics has a massive conspiracy to show that Captain Marvel is equal or some cases, superior to Superman." 😬
Originally posted by Philosophía crylaughSeriously, you can't see why they have nothing to do with our discussion, as they take place after the topic of discussion - which is Superman stalemating an amped Captain Marvel's strength, Superman getting a huge upgrade, and Captain Marvel still illogically stalemating him afterwards prior to the upgrades you brought up?
Even after I drew you a chart that a kindergarden level would understand?
This is simply amazing, Jake.
Amazing that you dance around the issue of why you have issues with them being portrayed as equals, yes. You want to waste your time trying to draw charts, attacking my comprehenion and reading ability, while trying to come off in some kind of self righteous sanctimonious light, that's your right, obviously. But it doesn't fool me or many others what the real issue seems to be. Dance around it all you like, as I'm sure you're want to do.
Originally posted by Philosophía Who said anything about writing it off? Stop putting words and stances in my mouth. I never argued that within continuity that's the way things stand - all I did was to argue that is was a company policy. It doesn't actually change its validity.
I didn't put any words or stances in your mouth; it's how you come off in this thread. What set this issue off is your inability to accept and/or like the idea that Cap and Kal are portrayed as equals. Nevermind dragging in Cap's most recent form who held every bit of power as the Wizard himself did.
Answer me this, Phil: Is it company policy that Superman is portrayed to be the greatest DC hero of all time and said to be the ultimate force for good? Do fanboy writers have the final say in how he's portrayed? Why?
Originally posted by Philosophía You can't even follow A>B>C>D type of events. ermmnone
I can follow events just fine. I just don't ignore or discount what I don't like in favor for a favorite character of mine.