Originally posted by Daredevil1
Plus Cap is just the flat out over all better fighter.
Just curious how you got to this conclusion.
@MetalIsDead: Thor is not interchangeable with Orion.
As far as the thread, Orion in both scenerios. Orion knows multiple fighting styles from around the galaxy while Cap knows a few earth-bound styles. He doesn't rely on just his strength like Superman. Orion's whole existence is about fighting. The only way I can see Orion losing the first scenerio is if he over-estimates the ability of his watered down body, per the stips provided, imo.
Originally posted by BerserkersRage
Just curious how you got to this conclusion.@MetalIsDead: Thor is not interchangeable with Orion.
As far as the thread, Orion in both scenerios. Orion knows multiple fighting styles from around the galaxy while Cap knows a few earth-bound styles. He doesn't rely on just his strength like Superman. Orion's whole existence is about fighting. The only way I can see Orion losing the first scenerio is if he over-estimates the ability of his watered down body, per the stips provided, imo.
yeah, Orion said that he knew warfare from across the universe in Simonson's run. He nearly defeated the greatest MA in the universe, if not for his pacifist state, and is the dog of war. I'll go with the man with the experience.
Originally posted by BerserkersRage
Just curious how you got to this conclusion.@MetalIsDead: Thor is not interchangeable with Orion.
As far as the thread, Orion in both scenerios. Orion knows multiple fighting styles from around the galaxy while Cap knows a few earth-bound styles. He doesn't rely on just his strength like Superman. Orion's whole existence is about fighting. The only way I can see Orion losing the first scenerio is if he over-estimates the ability of his watered down body, per the stips provided, imo.
Just based on the fact that Cap defeats guys who's are way outside of his weight class. And Orion stalemates with his strength and skill guys like Superman etc etc. Cap even defeated Cache a super computer who knew every style on earth and was as enhanced or more so then Cap himself.
Plus your wrong Cap mastered an alien martial art on Kangs ship easily. As even Kang can attest that while it takes other warriors decades to master the form, in what Cap it took a couple of minutes. Plus knowing more doesn't equal more skill. Its about effectiveness and Cap has this over against Orion.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Just based on the fact that Cap defeats guys who's are way outside of his weight class. And Orion stalemates with his strength and skill guys like Superman etc etc. Cap even defeated Cache a super computer who knew every style on earth and was as enhanced or more so then Cap himself.Plus your wrong Cap mastered an alien martial art on Kangs ship easily. As even Kang can attest that while it takes other warriors decades to master the form, in what Cap it took a couple of minutes. Plus knowing more doesn't equal more skill. Its about effectiveness and Cap has this over against Orion.
You can make a case of Superman being stronger, because of better strength feats and he's no slouch in the fighting department as well.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Just based on the fact that Cap defeats guys who's are way outside of his weight class. And Orion stalemates with his strength and skill guys like Superman etc etc. Cap even defeated Cache a super computer who knew every style on earth and was as enhanced or more so then Cap himself.Plus your wrong Cap mastered an alien martial art on Kangs ship easily. As even Kang can attest that while it takes other warriors decades to master the form, in what Cap it took a couple of minutes. Plus knowing more doesn't equal more skill. Its about effectiveness and Cap has this over against Orion.
Kinda hard for Orion to fight some one way above his weight class like Cap. Doesn't mean he can't. The super computer feat sounds good, but how does that translate to Orion? IIRC, Orion is considered one of the best MA in DC. But that fact is forgotten because he is as strong as Supes.
OK, DD, I didn't know about the alien MA Cap learned (I do have to wonder how one can learn a martial art in a couple of minutes when it would take longer than that just to demonstrate the techniques, outside of the Matrix, of course). Not once did I say knowing more equals more skill. But I do believe knowing more = experience, which decides it for me.
Believe me, I am not knocking Cap. I've got a thing for "wing-heads" . I know he's as bad as they come, but we are talking about Orion. It's all just my opinion, of course.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
There is still a gap and Orion has the experience and MA knowledge that exceeds Steve.
Prove he has the experience and MA knowledge that exceeds Steve.
Since Steve has shown to fight better on all accounts. Plus I see you are ignorant towards Steve time loop battles with Korvac.
The day Orion takes down someone with his skill who is 100 class strength ahead of his own with his skill. Then he finally has accomplished a Cap skill feat.
I wouldn't be surprised if they transferred Orion to a regular human body and then he would lose in hth against Lady Shiva.
Hercules is a great hth fighter and has tons of experience but lets face it even he's no Cap.