Superboy Prime Runs the Slugfest Gauntlet

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
and what can prime posibble do to hurt superman 1 million? superman 1 million is stated as undefeated and unbeateble now i know its a little strech but no way in hell someone like prime is going to beat him, they had to actually depower 1 million to the point he almost became mortal so the storyline would be some what of interesting because at full power kal kent is too overpowered and stated to be the strongest being in DC 1 million which is far more powerful than ordenery DC.

You're one of those people that surf the respect threads and then say character A beats everyone just because of what you saw right? Well visit Prime's respect thread, or pick up a comic or something. Prime has not just punched through time, but he's punched through reality barriers with lasting effects, also while weakened. Twice.

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
feats say it all and by feats kal kent can hold a galaxy with his force vision, could contain solaris from destroying the universe with his force vision and if you want brute strength? while losing almost all his powers to the point he was dying he broke the time barrier with a single punch he punched 2000 years to the future causing shockwaves thrue the timeline, and thats a very weaken kal kent at full power you got to be shiting if you think someone like prime can hurt him learn your stuff and read some comics

That's a valid argument. Because force vision has a lot to do with a slugfest.

Anyway, that's not a biggie to Prime, 1 million's brute strength won't be a deal breaker. Promise. If you want feats, visit the respect thread 🙂

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
it was stated as a slug fest, or if you want to use speed than superman 1 million is stated to be faster than any superman to date he is stated to be faster than the speed of light and faster than a speeding tachyon so if we take speed into acount 1 million once again stomps this entire list

Seriously though.

Zoom and Wally were moving so fast that superman and every other being on the planet was frozen in time. Wally was amped, Zoom was not. His speed embarrasses 1 million's by a fair amount.

Originally posted by Deadline
What proof you got?

Prime should be able to beat a regular flash like Barry or even Wally for a healthy majority, but Zoom is not a regular Flash. It's not that Prime can't physically take him out, it's that Zoom is too fast for Prime to actually hit lol.

Originally posted by Sirius77
You're one of those people that surf the respect threads and then say character A beats everyone just because of what you saw right? Well visit Prime's respect thread, or pick up a comic or something. Prime has not just punched through time, but he's punched through reality barriers with lasting effects, also while weakened. Twice.

That's a valid argument. Because force vision has a lot to do with a slugfest.

Anyway, that's not a biggie to Prime, 1 million's brute strength won't be a deal breaker. Promise. If you want feats, visit the respect thread 🙂

Seriously though.

Zoom and Wally were moving so fast that superman and every other being on the planet was frozen in time. Wally was amped, Zoom was not. His speed embarrasses 1 million's by a fair amount.

you are talking too much bullshit out of your ass lets start

what is primes best feat? his best feat is breaking the reality so called barrier only he did it in a shape of wall... and he wasnt weaken in that time he was at his best while doing it, superman 1 million while being stated to lose his flight and all his powers to the point there was very little left in him still manage to break the time barrier with his bare fists but the difference is that 1 million actually punched not only the timeline itself but he punched 853 centeries into the future so its by far more than just breaking the time barrier its actually punching 853 centeries into the future

now if 1 million did all that while very little is left in him... then what can do a full power 1 million? well give you a brain he certenly cant sorry

i just stated his force vision to show his league that he is a bieng far beyond prime or anyone in this list because holding a freakin galaxy is something that makes prime look like a biatch

so you say prime has the better strength based on what? based on him being beaten by flashes? or based on him being beaten by superman and supergirl combined and starting to cry? go read the 1 million arc and educate yourself before making foolish statements

zooms speed embarrasses 1 million? now here is a perfect example of you talking out of your ass... did you see i million ever being blitzed? did you see 1 million having limits to his speed? he was stated on panel by the writers to be much faster than any superman and he was stated to be faster than a speeding tachyon and being able to be at couple places at the same time due to his speed , as i said before go and educate yourself and then you can wank some more on prime if you like

Originally posted by quanchi112
His phobia was justified since he's never been portrayed as faster vs. them or on his own.

Yes he has been. On two or so occasions. The only Flash that has ever taken out Prime is an amped Flash. First Bart by the entire speed force, then Bart and XS amped by Barry's (the source of the speed force) arrival.

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
you are talking too much bullshit out of your ass lets start

what is primes best feat? his best feat is breaking the reality so called barrier only he did it in a shape of wall... and he wasnt weaken in that time he was at his best while doing it, superman 1 million while being stated to lose his flight and all his powers to the point there was very little left in him still manage to break the time barrier with his bare fists but the difference is that 1 million actually punched not only the timeline itself but he punched 853 centeries into the future so its by far more than just breaking the time barrier its actually punching 853 centeries into the future

now if 1 million did all that while very little is left in him... then what can do a full power 1 million? well give you a brain he certenly cant sorry

i just stated his force vision to show his league that he is a bieng far beyond prime or anyone in this list because holding a freakin galaxy is something that makes prime look like a biatch

so you say prime has the better strength based on what? based on him being beaten by flashes? or based on him being beaten by superman and supergirl combined and starting to cry? go read the 1 million arc and educate yourself before making foolish statements

zooms speed embarrasses 1 million? now here is a perfect example of you talking out of your ass... did you see i million ever being blitzed? did you see 1 million having limits to his speed? he was stated on panel by the writers to be much faster than any superman and he was stated to be faster than a speeding tachyon and being able to be at couple places at the same time due to his speed , as i said before go and educate yourself and then you can wank some more on prime if you like

No, that's not Prime's best feat. Just one of his feats, probably the mid range, as I said he's done it more than once, and the first time he was weakened from lack of actual sunlight. I'd say his best feats are surviving a galaxy buster and a universe buster. Punching through time is impressive, but punching through the Phantom Zone on the fly where one is supposed to be intangible is more impressive.

Again, if you read comics and not just scans, you'd know the context of these instances. When Prime fought the JSA, JLA, Doom Patrol, Teen Titans, and Titans combined, he was fighting them after being in a quantum containment field under a red sun (after being flown through a red sun) for at least a year. The only thing that kept him going was his solar suit. With it, he was able to oneshot two flashes, and other top tiers. Mid battle, it was melted off of him with red sun radiation by Red Star. Afterwards he was weakened further. So when you saw him getting beaten on by every top tier that you can think of, he was drastically weakened. When a beam of sunlight hit his hand, he threw them all off like they were nothing. When I said he and 1 million might stalemate, I was being very generous.

So Superman 1 million being stated to be faster than a tachyon automatically makes him faster than zoom eh? The flashes on average leave that entire hearsay argument in the dust. Wally alone has outraced death, reacted at an attosecond, and travels ftl on the fly. To zoom, he is a statue. It took Wally absorbing the speed of all of the flashes in order to even match zoom. So you asked me for Prime's greatest feat, so whats 1 million's greatest speed feat? Give me one even comparable to Wally's average.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
His phobia came from being dumped in the speedforce with a red sun that left him powerless four years.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Yes he has been. On two or so occasions. The only Flash that has ever taken out Prime is an amped Flash. First Bart by the entire speed force, then Bart and XS amped by Barry's (the source of the speed force) arrival.

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
superman 1 million hype? we are talking here about the protector of the 1 million universe who can hold galaxies and punch time with his fists GTFO

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was never ever portrayed as faster. Ever. He countered a few but that doesn't mean he's faster. Nope. His feats also don't even come close to suggesting he's anywhere near as quick as the flashes.

He has been portrayed as faster on a couple of occasions, mostly in combat speed. Only once in travel speed, which I thought was admittedly odd.

Prime has always been portrayed as being quite fast. This can be seen by the fact that it took bart absorbing the entire speed force to catch up to beat him to the present, and that every time he's encountered an unamped flash, he's either oneshotted him or blitzed him uncontrollably. The only time that unamped flashes have given Prime trouble is when they are in groups, i.e. the speed force dump. If you believe otherwise, give me an example countering this.

This is not to say that Prime's cis does not play a role in this however. He is afraid of the flashes, but not because they're his "kryptonite", just because they trapped him in the 853 century (or the speed force, they were a little ambiguous about that) for a year. After he gets serious and fights back, he gets over it and generally wins.

Originally posted by Sirius77
He has been portrayed as faster on a couple of occasions, mostly in combat speed. Only once in travel speed, which I thought was admittedly odd.

Prime has always been portrayed as being quite fast. This can be seen by the fact that it took bart absorbing the entire speed force to catch up to beat him to the present, and that every time he's encountered an unamped flash, he's either oneshotted him or blitzed him uncontrollably. The only time that unamped flashes have given Prime trouble is when they are in groups, i.e. the speed force dump. If you believe otherwise, give me an example countering this.

This is not to say that Prime's cis does not play a role in this however. He is afraid of the flashes, but not because they're his "kryptonite", just because they trapped him in the 853 century (or the speed force, they were a little ambiguous about that) for a year. After he gets serious and fights back, he gets over it and generally wins.

Never said he isn't fast but not flash speed. He also very rarely even uses speed ina fight he fights like a brick 95 percent of the time.

He took off from one flash in his sc tie in.

Flashes have superior speed feats and are portrayed as faster than Prime consistently therefore they are faster. Pretty simple.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has he been portrayed as faster than a flash. You say a few instances name one or two. Quit being so vague.

Never said he isn't fast but not flash speed. He also very rarely even uses speed ina fight he fights like a brick 95 percent of the time.

He took off from one flash in his sc tie in.

Flashes have superior speed feats and are portrayed as faster than Prime consistently therefore they are faster. Pretty simple.

In the teen titans tie in, he blitzed three flashes. Two of them being Bart and Wally iirc. In sc, he brushed them of like they were nothing, and KOed them by flying off. In ic, he beat a speed force amped Bart back to the present, after he blitzed him and two other flashes in the aforementioned example.

I'm sure they do have more speed feats than Prime. I stated that Prime could take a majority from the flashes. I also stated that Prime has been portrayed as faster when they aren't amped. Every instance in which Prime has come into contact with an unamped Flash, he has proven consistently able to defeat him when he gets serious. If you have contrary evidence, I'm interested in seeing it. Not in a confrontational way, it would just be interesting to see an issue with Prime and flash in it that I haven't read.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Zoom was probably toying with them if that happened at all.

To be fair you might need to prove that.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

The one time a Flash did hang with him was when Wally got a massive amp.

Yeah well it took in all 6 flashes to take down SBP, and hes managed to knock back 2 Flashes before they could react. He also initially got blitzed by 3 flashes because he was taken by suprise.

You're arguing that Zoom is far faster than SBP because Flashes are faster than SBP, you don't have any proof.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Zoom is far faster than Prime. What's there to discuss?

Because you're basing it on the fact that Flashes are faster than SBP, you don't have any proof for that?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He's been blitzed by kid flash as well and flat out ran from one flash since.

Oh really when did this happen? As its been stated before he has a phobia because he was kidnapped by a group of Flashes that kept him under a red sun for years. It took in all 6 Flashes to give him the phobia, his fear doesn't prove that Flashes are faster.

Originally posted by quanchi112

He has no feats or is he portrayed as faster so the only logical conclusion is he isn't faster or as fast as they are.

Hes actually knocked back two flashes before they react and Hal Jordan has snagged Zoom. No thats not the logical conclusion.

Originally posted by Sirius77
No, that's not Prime's best feat. Just one of his feats, probably the mid range, as I said he's done it more than once, and the first time he was weakened from lack of actual sunlight. I'd say his best feats are surviving a galaxy buster and a universe buster. Punching through time is impressive, but punching through the Phantom Zone on the fly where one is supposed to be intangible is more impressive.

Again, if you read comics and not just scans, you'd know the context of these instances. When Prime fought the JSA, JLA, Doom Patrol, Teen Titans, and Titans combined, he was fighting them after being in a quantum containment field under a red sun (after being flown through a red sun) for at least a year. The only thing that kept him going was his solar suit. With it, he was able to oneshot two flashes, and other top tiers. Mid battle, it was melted off of him with red sun radiation by Red Star. Afterwards he was weakened further. So when you saw him getting beaten on by every top tier that you can think of, he was drastically weakened. When a beam of sunlight hit his hand, he threw them all off like they were nothing. When I said he and 1 million might stalemate, I was being [B]very generous.

So Superman 1 million being stated to be faster than a tachyon automatically makes him faster than zoom eh? The flashes on average leave that entire hearsay argument in the dust. Wally alone has outraced death, reacted at an attosecond, and travels ftl on the fly. To zoom, he is a statue. It took Wally absorbing the speed of all of the flashes in order to even match zoom. So you asked me for Prime's greatest feat, so whats 1 million's greatest speed feat? Give me one even comparable to Wally's average. [/B]

you know what i dont respect? i dont respect when someone is wrong but instead of admiting he is wrong he continues with his bullshit just to show he wont back down thats lame, you are trying to compare both there punching feats while i am stating a simple fact that even if lets say there feats are comparable as far as brute strength superman 1 million did it while almost losing all his power he did it with lets say 5% of his powers while prime did it at 100% of his powers, so basically if 5% kal kent and 100% prime are somewhat of comparable it doesnt take to be genious to realise that 100% kal kent is >>>>>>>> superboy prime

was it stated by how much he was depowered? prime while depowered was still able to fly shoot his heat vision and use his powers overall its just that he was weaker while fighting the good guiys and they all owned his ass, now 1 million was weaken to the point he couldnt fly he lost all his powers he didnt have anythinmg left in him and he still owned an army of giant cyborgs that were designed to fight the ordenery superman with easy, he still defeated 5 heralds with easy even when they combined themselves and he still broke the time barrier and punched 853 centeries into the future, 1 million was much more weaken than prime and yet he manage to show power feats that prime cant even match at his 100% , so when you say prime beats 1 million you better start giving any actual avidance and reason or you are just trolling stating what ever you want without any backing up

superman 1 million couldnt perform a full speed feat because in the 1 million arc they depowered him so he couldnt show all his full power but as i said again, stated to be faster than any superman by far, stated to be faster than a speeding tachyon which is faster than the speed of light and was stated to be so fast he could actually be at several places at the same time, plus lets not forget he has 5 dimension powers so if he combines them with his speed he can do what ever he wants he is a god in his own right

Originally posted by Sirius77
In the teen titans tie in, he blitzed three flashes. Two of them being Bart and Wally iirc. In sc, he brushed them of like they were nothing, and KOed them by flying off. In ic, he beat a speed force amped Bart back to the present, after he blitzed him and two other flashes in the aforementioned example.

I'm sure they do have more speed feats than Prime. I stated that Prime could take a majority from the flashes. I also stated that Prime has been portrayed as faster when they aren't amped. Every instance in which Prime has come into contact with an unamped Flash, he has proven consistently able to defeat him when he gets serious. If you have contrary evidence, I'm interested in seeing it. Not in a confrontational way, it would just be interesting to see an issue with Prime and flash in it that I haven't read.

Beating them and being faster aren't the same thing. You act like they are equals in terms of strength and durability. Wow. Sometimes you really don't even grasp your own arguments.

If you gave any flash prime like strength and durability they'd annihilate prime.

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
you know what i dont respect? i dont respect when someone is wrong but instead of admiting he is wrong he continues with his bullshit just to show he wont back down thats lame, you are trying to compare both there punching feats while i am stating a simple fact that even if lets say there feats are comparable as far as brute strength superman 1 million did it while almost losing all his power he did it with lets say 5% of his powers while prime did it at 100% of his powers, so basically if 5% kal kent and 100% prime are somewhat of comparable it doesnt take to be genious to realise that 100% kal kent is >>>>>>>> superboy prime

Show me in the comic where it said anything about 5%.

Also, Prime was weakened from being in a pocket dimension for half his life after fighting the antimoniter. He wasn't at full strength either when he did the retcon punch. He was not a "100%", you literally pulled both those figures out of your ass. If you're going to debate, then don't lie or extrapolate, look it up.

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
was it stated by how much he was depowered? prime while depowered was still able to fly shoot his heat vision and use his powers overall its just that he was weaker while fighting the good guiys and they all owned his ass, now 1 million was weaken to the point he couldnt fly he lost all his powers he didnt have anythinmg left in him and he still owned an army of giant cyborgs that were designed to fight the ordenery superman with easy, he still defeated 5 heralds with easy even when they combined themselves and he still broke the time barrier and punched 853 centeries into the future, 1 million was much more weaken than prime and yet he manage to show power feats that prime cant even match at his 100% , so when you say prime beats 1 million you better start giving any actual avidance and reason or you are just trolling stating what ever you want without any backing up

Prime was flown through a red sun, KOed while depowered, then sealed up in a quantum containment field for a year under a junior red sun eater. You do the math, you seem to be good at making up imaginary figures anyway.

Prime used the little energy the solar suit provided to face pretty much every team that matters. Then he got his only power source ripped off by his only weakness (red sun radiation) and still stood there and got beaten on by the entire JSA, JLA, Doom Patrol, Teen Titans, and Titans for the duration of the issus, and never got Koed, just complained.

I don't see what Superman 1 million not being able to fly has to do with this. Perhaps Prime conserves solar energy more efficiently than him, because even depowered, Prime's eyes still glow red. Even with only the solar suit as a power source, he still retains all of his abilities. You're arguing a matter of efficiency.

Fight ordinary Superman with ease? When have they lol? What have these robots done to warrant being compared to superman?

Lol what heralds? 5? He defeated firestorm. Aquaman 1 million took out the ray.

Also, I reread it and there was something to punch. You made the argument with Prime, so now you must also apply it to Superman 1 million. Prime also punched through reality with lasting effects being felt throughout the main DCU even retconning characters and ressurrecting some. All with punches. And guess what? He didn't age and almost die from it. He was also weakened at that point as well. 🙂

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
superman 1 million couldnt perform a full speed feat because in the 1 million arc they depowered him so he couldnt show all his full power but as i said again, stated to be faster than any superman by far, stated to be faster than a speeding tachyon which is faster than the speed of light and was stated to be so fast he could actually be at several places at the same time, plus lets not forget he has 5 dimension powers so if he combines them with his speed he can do what ever he wants he is a god in his own right

Lol, if he hasn't done it on panel, then him wanking himself in front of his ancestor means nothing.
All we saw him do was fly fast and process combat scenarios. Any high to mid range flash has better feats. Just because he is stated (by hearsay alone) to be faster than a tachyon, doesn't mean anything unless we have seen something at least indicative of this. That's fine if you want to speculate, but don't pass it off as fact. With that said, I'm done feeding the trolls.... hopefully.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He's a lot stronger and more durable than they are so his attacks pack a considerable amount of force compared to theirs. I have never argued he can't compensate for their speed only that he is slower.

Beating them and being faster aren't the same thing. You act like they are equals in terms of strength and durability. Wow. Sometimes you really don't even grasp your own arguments.

If you gave any flash prime like strength and durability they'd annihilate prime.

I'm arguing that he has consistently shown to match and defeat an unamped flash whenever the situation arises. To date, this has been true. They have to amp themselves to gain an edge to beat him. This has happened consistently as well.

Lol. Quan, where in my entire post did I say or even imply anything remotely resembling a comparison of Flash and Prime's durability? You seem pretty good at making things up. Maybe you should write fanfiction to get all of that pent up.... whatever it is out. He has beat them with speed outright every time they have been unamped or not in groups (although there was an occasion in which he fought and defeated two flashes, but one was Jay so...).

Lol, well I suppose so, if you combined Prime's strength and durability with Flash's speed and exotic abilities. Lulz.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Show me in the comic where it said anything about 5%.

Also, Prime was weakened from being in a pocket dimension for half his life after fighting the antimoniter. He wasn't at full strength either when he did the retcon punch. He was not a "100%", you literally pulled both those figures out of your ass. If you're going to debate, then don't lie or extrapolate, look it up.

Prime was flown through a red sun, KOed while depowered, then sealed up in a quantum containment field for a year under a junior red sun eater. You do the math, you seem to be good at making up imaginary figures anyway.

Prime used the little energy the solar suit provided to face pretty much every team that matters. Then he got his only power source ripped off by his only weakness (red sun radiation) and still stood there and got beaten on by the entire JSA, JLA, Doom Patrol, Teen Titans, and Titans for the duration of the issus, and never got Koed, just complained.

I don't see what Superman 1 million not being able to fly has to do with this. Perhaps Prime conserves solar energy more efficiently than him, because even depowered, Prime's eyes still glow red. Even with only the solar suit as a power source, he still retains all of his abilities. You're arguing a matter of efficiency.

Fight ordinary Superman with ease? When have they lol? What have these robots done to warrant being compared to superman?

Lol what heralds? 5? He defeated firestorm. Aquaman 1 million took out the ray.

Also, I reread it and there was something to punch. You made the argument with Prime, so now you must also apply it to Superman 1 million. Prime also punched through reality with lasting effects being felt throughout the main DCU even retconning characters and ressurrecting some. All with punches. And guess what? He didn't age and almost die from it. He was also weakened at that point as well. 🙂

Lol, if he hasn't done it on panel, then him wanking himself in front of his ancestor means nothing.
All we saw him do was fly fast and process combat scenarios. Any high to mid range flash has better feats. Just because he is stated (by hearsay alone) to be faster than a tachyon, doesn't mean anything unless we have seen something at least indicative of this. That's fine if you want to speculate, but don't pass it off as fact. With that said, I'm done feeding the trolls.... hopefully.

i am using common sense here, and Lol at you trying to imply that they were at the same level of depowerment, prime was only stated as weaken thats it the fact remains that he still had all his powers and he still could do everything he normally does thats still the fact, 1 million on the other hand was weaken to the point he lost all his powers to the point he couldnt even fly he couldnt use his heat vision or anything he was so depowered that his powers left him all left in him was some super human strength and speed and all that little he used to do a feat which is still better than prime ever did thats the point of by how much 1 million was weaker , and yet prime being a little weaker got already owned by everybody while 1 million who lost almost all his powers still was kicking ass

again you fail to use context , those giant robots were designed to fight superman by lex luthor which means he made them durable and strong enough to at least face superman otherwise whats the point of making a weapon specially FOR SUPERMAN

you are Loling at the fact you dont read comics? i suggest you to go and actually read 1 million arc and then you will see what 5 heralds which were the metalic crew that later combined into a huge composed monster that 1 million defeats with easy while again weaken to the point he couldnt even fly

as i said before 1 million clearly doesnt have many appearances and his main arc was involved with his losing all his powers to the point he couldnt even fly so how do you expect from him to show his speed? on ordenery arcs he never had to use his full speed because he never was in a run for something, but the speed feats he has show him being at another place while someone was about to explode and 1 million came to him nano seconds before the bomb was about to explode and it was stated as nanoseconds on panel , other then that he just doesnt have apearences so we can only go by his couple he has and the statements about his powers which there is no reason not to take seriously since it was never contradicted in showings

about the 1 million aging thing? first of all you seem to avoid the facts he almost lost all his powers he was very very weaken you seem to avoid this clear fact just because it doesnt suit your retarded argument , second of all 1 million got old because he punched 853 centeries into the future... how far did prime punch? how far? 1 million with the first punch was able to punch 2000 years to the future 2000 years... how far did prime was able to punch? that alone shows us that 1 million while having something like 5% of his overall power was punching far stronger than prime could

and you know what lets for a second put this thread aside, in a full fight with all powers do you really think superboy prime can stand to 1 million? this answer will help me determine if you are a complete troll or just an ass

Originally posted by Sirius77
I'm arguing that he has consistently shown to match and defeat an unamped flash whenever the situation arises. To date, this has been true. They have to amp themselves to gain an edge to beat him. This has happened consistently as well.

Lol. Quan, where in my entire post did I say or even imply anything remotely resembling a comparison of Flash and Prime's durability? You seem pretty good at making things up. Maybe you should write fanfiction to get all of that pent up.... whatever it is out. He has beat them with speed outright every time they have been unamped or not in groups (although there was an occasion in which he fought and defeated two flashes, but one was Jay so...).

Lol, well I suppose so, if you combined Prime's strength and durability with Flash's speed and exotic abilities. Lulz.

You never quite grasp even your own points.

Originally posted by carver9
Stops at 3.

Since Zoom doesnt actually move at superspeed, do his normal thought processes move at a normal relative rate when hes not tapping into the time stream?

If in the initial stage of the battle and he has to think to activate his power, than SBP wins. If its hyperfast (speed of light kinda reaction) then SBP may just lose