Supermen vs Gods

Started by carver95 pages
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
When I said mid or high heralds shouldn't lose to Hulk, I meant outside of jobbing, which Thor obviously does every time he loses to Hulk.

Wait a minute, let me help you out. I think this is what you are trying to say.

Mid and High Heralds shouldn't lose to...

Kalibak, Hulk, Darkseid (without his Omegas), Shaggy Man, the General, Titus, Konvikt, HP Doomsday, V&V Despero, Kurse, Kalibak, Grundy, Rulk, Lobo, Juggernaut, etc, etc...

There ya go... I know you didn't feel like typing all of that, so I helped you out.

You can thank me later.

🤨 Half those guys are trans level. You're an idiot.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
🤨 Half those guys are trans level. You're an idiot.

All of those guys are natural bricks. Physically, Savage Hulk is Herald level... WWH is MUCH more powerful than Savage.

Do the math.

vulcan did cover that distance in 2 weeks, he just accessed hyperspace and there are plenty of heralds that have travelled faster than 100c. nova just did so in TI, I believe

Originally posted by carver9
All of those guys are natural bricks. Physically, Savage Hulk is Herald level... WWH is MUCH more powerful than Savage.

Do the math.

Titus isn't a natural brick. Try again.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I hate to agree with Quan, but Kallark having problems with Masterson Thor [b]is a terrible showing.

Rage: Masterson was consistently shown as nowhere near as compedent as the real Thor. Nor was he as strong or skilled in using his powers. The guy had trouble controlling Mjollnir in flight. 😬 Gladiator beating him doesn't say much. Now Hulk beating Gladiator, even with the radiation thing, that speaks volumes, and not in Gladiator's favor.

Anyone contending to be mid or high herald should NEVER lose to Hulk.

Mindset: I wouldn't give him the majority against anyone in this thread save Apollo, but yes, he would put up a decent fight for awhile. [/B]

Not really. It was made clear that Gladiator was more effective in combat and the superior warrior. He simply just wasn't stronger or more powerful which is what fans want to use that fight as proof of.

Masterson was no doubt very incompetent at times -he didn't even know how to control Mjolnir's energy output- but when he got angry or stepped it up a notch, he was a beast:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik90.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik91.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik92.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik93.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik94.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator7.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator9.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsThanos3.jpg

Easily one of the strongest guys in the Universe up there with Drax, Gladiator and Hulk etc. IIRC, Adam Warlock even said he was the most powerful hero assembled out of the ones brought to face Thanos during the Infinity Gauntlet. That line up included everyone from Spider-Man to Firelord.

The problem with Masterson is that he went from performing extremely poorly to extremely well without any real explanation other than a change in his state of mind. I use to think his power fluctuated with his confidence or something.

I do think Thor had a bit of a stat edge though.

The skill/experience difference between the two was made clear:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor3.jpg

What the hell...seriously.

Feats:

[list][*]If a character lifts a mountain, island, aircraft carrier, building, bus, etc. then we know the characters are very strong.

[*]If a character flies from another planet in another star system to their home planet in the same comic then we know they can fly very fast.

[*]If a character has senses which render normal time perception to stand still we know they have very fast perception.[/list]

Real world logic vs. comic book logic:

[list][*]The writers and artists have to use real world references in comics. How else can they convey a message, idea, feat, etc. without using a reference they know?

[*]A comic book mountain, island, aircraft carrier, building, bus, etc. is heavy just like a real world mountain, island, aircraft carrier, building, bus, etc. There's no way around that fact.

[*]A character traveling from another start system to their home planet within a comic is faster than light just like it would be in the real world.[/list]

This nitpicking of feats is moving into the absurd. The feats were never meant to receive a critique on such a level. Just convey a simple message of a character being strong, fast, etc. The writers and artists assume the reader is bright enough to understand the conveyed message without there being a narrative for every detail.

There are a few posters who take something as simple as ideas shown in colored pictures with words and try to twist them into something which is far more complex and nuanced than originally intended. The reason for this seems to be for debating purposes in order for their character to win.

Anyone on Team 2 could beat Apollo, he just lacks the gas tank to fight a high herald, and everyone on Team 1 will have some issue with Loki's magic.

So team 2 pretty solidly.

Originally posted by Q99
Anyone on Team 2 could beat Apollo, he just lacks the gas tank to fight a high herald, and everyone on Team 1 will have some issue with Loki's magic.

So team 2 pretty solidly.

If Apollo and Loki were excluded who would you give the notch then?

Originally posted by Badabing
What the hell...seriously.

Feats:

[list][*]If a character lifts a mountain, island, aircraft carrier, building, bus, etc. then we know the characters are very strong.

[*]If a character flies from another planet in another star system to their home planet in the same comic then we know they can fly very fast.

[*]If a character has senses which render normal time perception to stand still we know they have very fast perception.[/list]

Real world logic vs. comic book logic:

[list][*]The writers and artists have to use real world references in comics. How else can they convey a message, idea, feat, etc. without using a reference they know?

[*]A comic book mountain, island, aircraft carrier, building, bus, etc. is heavy just like a real world mountain, island, aircraft carrier, building, bus, etc. There's no way around that fact.

[*]A character traveling from another start system to their home planet within a comic is faster than light just like it would be in the real world.[/list]

This nitpicking of feats is moving into the absurd. The feats were never meant to receive a critique on such a level. Just convey a simple message of a character being strong, fast, etc. The writers and artists assume the reader is bright enough to understand the conveyed message without there being a narrative for every detail.

There are a few posters who take something as simple as ideas shown in colored pictures with words and try to twist them into something which is far more complex and nuanced than originally intended. The reason for this seems to be for debating purposes in order for their character to win.

And Bingo! 😄

Originally posted by Parmaniac
If Apollo and Loki were excluded who would you give the notch then?

Mm, could go either way.

Originally posted by carver9
I couldn't find my scan. I was searching for Vulcan flying past planets but I couldn't find it. It happened after his fight against the xmen when he was heading to the Shair base.

But anyways... my point is, Vulcan has light speed showings (via space) but he isn't a true light speedster. I have posted scans a while back proving this and no one was able to counter my argument.

Issue number?

You said he crossed galaxies in two weeks, when nothing was stated, unless you're talking about a different issue.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Issue number?

You said he crossed galaxies in two weeks, when nothing was stated, unless you're talking about a different issue.

Do you consider this light speed because imo it is?

http://img141.imageshack.us/i/xmdg06241xp.jpg/

http://img83.imageshack.us/i/xmdg06299ox.jpg/

Originally posted by carver9
Do you consider this light speed because imo it is?

http://img141.imageshack.us/i/xmdg06241xp.jpg/

http://img83.imageshack.us/i/xmdg06299ox.jpg/

It very well could be. It looks like it anyway.

So where's the mention of him crossing galaxies in two weeks?

I can't really see this scan that good... its saved on my phone but I "think" this is it.

http://img77.imageshack.us/i/uncannyxmen477002003zb5.jpg/

Originally posted by carver9
I can't really see this scan that good... its saved on my phone but I "think" this is it.

http://img77.imageshack.us/i/uncannyxmen477002003zb5.jpg/

And that's exactly the one we went over before, and you were proven wrong. I'm trying not to be a dick here, but I remember the thread, how you said you didn't agree, and then I posted the actual pages for you to show you.

Vulcan was stated to have left Earth at least a week ago. That much is true. What isn't true, however, is that he was "crossing galaxies" in those weeks. It was said on panel that it would have taken him years to reach the Shiar empire.

The only quantifying statement we have is that he was years away from reaching their homeworld. Yes, he was most likely flying at lightspeed, but fast enough to cross galaxies in weeks? Nothing in the comic supports that, that I can see.

My bad... here is the scan and its even more impressive... it only took a week. I think the other scan gave off something, don't know for sure.

Vulcan made it to the shiar side of the Universe and he did it in a week.

Far faster than light.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/RespectThread/Vulcan/fights/random/fight%201/1.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
My bad... here is the scan and its even more impressive... it only took a week. I think the other scan gave off something, don't know for sure.

Vulcan made it to the shiar side of the Universe and he did it in a week.

Far faster than light.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/RespectThread/Vulcan/fights/random/fight%201/1.jpg

No. He encounters a Shiar vessel. It's STATED in the COMIC that it would take him years flying at his current speed to reach the Shiar homeworld. He met a scout-ship.

Originally posted by -Pr-
And that's exactly the one we went over before, and you were proven wrong. I'm trying not to be a dick here, but I remember the thread, how you said you didn't agree, and then I posted the actual pages for you to show you.

Vulcan was stated to have left Earth at least a week ago. That much is true. What isn't true, however, is that he was "crossing galaxies" in those weeks. It was said on panel that it would have taken him years to reach the Shiar empire.

The only quantifying statement we have is that he was years away from reaching their homeworld. Yes, he was most likely flying at lightspeed, but fast enough to cross galaxies in weeks? Nothing in the comic supports that, that I can see.

What scan was it that stated it taking years? I'm not saying that you are wrong but do you have it?

By the way... this proves my point... Vulcan can fly through space at light but his reflexes is boo boo which was shown when he couldn't stop a bullet.

That was my entire point.

Originally posted by carver9
What scan was it that stated it taking years? I'm not saying that you are wrong but do you have it?

By the way... this proves my point... Vulcan can fly through space at light but his reflexes is boo boo which was shown when he couldn't stop a bullet.

That was my entire point.

I wasn't arguing about Vulcan's reflexes. At all.

Here's the scan:

I've shown you this before. More than once.