Originally posted by JakeTheBank
She's helped towed Earth and the moon before, both with help and as such it's next to impossible to determine how much she contributed outside of "a lot of weight". She's helped lifted the Spectre who was described as weighing "eternity", which again, is unquantifiable, albeit a good feat of strength. These feats in of themselves don't put her beyond Bill in terms of strength, not based on his own feats and who he has matched or stalemated in pure strength (ie. Thor).And while there are certainly posters who do dislike Superman for being "uber" or because he's DC, it's not a majority, and for every diehard anti-DC poster you have, there's an equally overzealous DC supporter. Which is why bringing up company bias is really irrelevant because we all know there's enough to go around, Marvel or DC. As someone who reads comics from both companies, Superman included, it's really tiring to hear this "Oh, there's some kind of KMC anti-Superman/DC movement" style of argument (not accusing you of saying this, btw) and attempting to paint the overall vibe of the forums as some place that holds some irrational grudge against the character and company he represents, when in reality, it's a handful of posters. And in the same breath, conviently ignoring or refusing to point out the sheer ludicrous of people who believe Superman solos Galactus or that he'll operate and use his speeds at levels never shown in comics and to argue otherwise is "hating Superman/DC." Case in point, there's zealots and biased and self-righteous posters representing both companies and whomever their favorite characters are. Thor, Hulk, Surfer, Superman, Flash, Green Lanterns, etc. It's everywhere.
Which of WW's strength feats surpass Thor? And even if she did have them, it's certainly not the norm, not based on her character.
Based on what is Diana going to hit someone a hundred times a second, much less anywhere close to lightspeed? Has she ever displayed this kind of speed or tactic in a comic book? If so, please, show me or tell me the issue; I'd genuinely appreciate it if Diana has done this. Further more, you're assuming, I don't know, Bill stands there and lets such a thing happen to him, which is pretty much downplaying him. It's debatable than Diana even possesses planetary striking power based on her feats - we can make guesses, but prove it? - whereas Bill does. Diana will block several of his attacks, sure, but he's going to hit here, either though melee, a hammer toss (which can go FTL as well as home on an opponent), massive AoE style attacks, BFRing to a realm/environment of his choosing, etc.
I believe what I'm saying because I've actually read an extraordinary amount of Wonder Woman comics and I'm pretty sure I have a pretty damn good handle on the character, and the idea she walks all over Bill for a massive majority is pretty unfounded.
Bill has far too many options for Diana to overcome with her advantages for the majority here.
See this is where we disagree, In Spirit.
A dumb character wouldn't do a certain tactic only because they are that dumb.
A smart character wouldn't do an easy to know tactic in a comic only because it would go against the plot, not because they are dumb or it isn't in their character. There is nothing in Superman's or WW's character mind to tell him that he/she shouldn't use super speed to win the fight if they thought it was necessary. They don't always use it IN COMICS because the writer controls them not to use it. If Superman or WW was a real living being and knew what he/she can do and had the actual intelligence he/she is portrayed to have in comics then there is no reason he/she wouldn't use speed, if he/she deemed it was necessary.
Bill doesn't know WW but WW knows Bill (because she knows Thor). WW is not dumb. If she were alive and existed then their would be no reason for her to not use her speed, knowing how powerful Bill is.
So for the billionth time, this is not about what will happen in a comic (where writer's job characters and create contradictions). This is about what will happen if the characters ACTUALLY EXISTED and they used REAL intelligence based off their actual portrayed intelligence from comics. That means Superman will fight and think like a gifted human, WW would fight and think like a gifted human as well. They will not fight like morons and not use speed on purpose and get their butts whipped. That would make no sense.
Lastly, there is no way to connect D.C. characters to Marvel characters other than natural feats (feats where the character perform against objects such as planets, tanks, etc.). This is the only way we know who is stronger. IMO, WW is not less than 1/3 of the strength of Superman. Even with 1/10 of Superman's strength she has proven to have planetary power. Both Bill and Diana can hurt each other, that is a fact. But for Bill to even have a chance to strike her he must use quick jab like strikes which are far weaker than pure slams. Thus his blows would be equal or less than the blows she would have on him. Putting skill and speed into play, she would definitely hit him more times and thus providing us with the outcome (she wins). Adding in the fact that she has several one shot options makes this fight almost a stomp in her favor.