X-Force VS Wonder Woman, Batman, & Hawkman

Originally posted by carver9
I can't believe you said she doesn't have any super human stats when 2 years back during her run through the Savage Land she punched someone clean over a mountain "while holding back" and was shocked that she was able to deliver such a blow.

Why don't you think Rogue was amping herself in that fight?

her powerset had been modified during that run and is now back to regular TP/TK.

because she did not show any of those powers. when xtreme roge used the absorbed powers, her physical appearence changed to resemble the character, like when she used hulk and logan's powers to survive a sword blow from vargas. she used no energy power, no superspeed and no physical change in her tussle with psylock.

Right, but hasn't current Psylocke said to use telekinesis to amp her physical abilities? I thought she said that in her danger room fight with Sabretooth... but I could be on crack.

Originally posted by Existere
Right, but hasn't current Psylocke said to use telekinesis to amp her physical abilities? I thought she said that in her danger room fight with Sabretooth... but I could be on crack.

Originally posted by 753
yes, psylock amps her stats with TK, but she has no superhuman stats by default.

Originally posted by carver9
You forgot a couple of stuff there buddy.

Super strength
Super speed
Parlyzing swords
Expert Martial artist

All of these stats can be amped with just a thought. She was/is operating on such a high level that she was capable of physically stalemating Extreme Rogue who at the time had Thor, Hulk, Magneto, Iceman, Cyclops, Wolverine, North Star, Quicksilver, Juggernaut, etc, etc.. powers.

Hope that cleared everything everything up for you.

Originally posted by 753
she has no superhuman stats, she amps with TK and rogue was not manifesting any of those powers you listed during their sparring session, just the miss marvel powerset. you'd have to be delluded to believe otherwise. IDK what level current WW is at, but it's probably > classic rogue/miss marvel and she is a competent martial artist too, unlike rogue

Originally posted by Existere
Right, but... so? I mean, it feels like we're splitting hairs, unless I'm missing the point of this discussion: if she can amp her stats to superhuman levels, then she can amp her stats to superhuman levels.

This is exactly what I am saying and 753, she never lost her super strength or her super speed and there hasn't been shown a limit yet on how far she can amp her stats either.

Originally posted by 753

Sorry for the misunderstanding but my entire argument is that she has super human abilities. You said that she didn't. I guess there was some confusion down the road of our debate.

Wasn't Psylocke dead before Rogue unlocked her powers fully in X-Treme? Vargas killed her before the dimensional alien invasion, Sage unlocked Rogue's full powers in order to fight the invasion.

I think when they fought, Rogue was Ms. Marvel/Cyclops/Wolverine, not the whole lot.

Originally posted by carver9
This is exactly what I am saying and 753, she never lost her super strength or her super speed and there hasn't been shown a limit yet on how far she can amp her stats either.

Originally posted by 753

I have trouble wading through Carver's posts sometimes.

Well, be that as it may, she is superhuman once amped, and she does have her psychic blades, actual blades, fighting skillz!1!!, etc.

I think in this scenario she makes a good combo with Fantomex, though I don't really what the status of Diana's 'eyes of the godess' are currently. I see them referenced way more often on the forums than I do in comics, but I'm sure I've seen supporting scans... maybe? I also don't know how they were affected by her current depowerment, but I haven't been keeping up with Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by Q99
Wasn't Psylocke dead before Rogue unlocked her powers fully in X-Treme? Vargas killed her before the dimensional alien invasion, Sage unlocked Rogue's full powers in order to fight the invasion.

I think when they fought, Rogue was Ms. Marvel/Cyclops/Wolverine, not the whole lot.

Originally posted by Q99
Wasn't Psylocke dead before Rogue unlocked her powers fully in X-Treme? Vargas killed her before the dimensional alien invasion, Sage unlocked Rogue's full powers in order to fight the invasion.

I think when they fought, Rogue was Ms. Marvel/Cyclops/Wolverine, not the whole lot.

Naah, I think this took place after the manifest of Rogue abilities because prior to this... Rogue saved a city using Magneto and Storms powers.

Would the low-visibility environment affect his ability to make illusions?

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, I think this took place after the manifest of Rogue abilities because prior to this... Rogue saved a city using Magneto and Storms powers.

Rogue definitely lost the full X-treme power-set before Psylocke returned from the dead, though.

I think Psylocke beat her after Rogue's powers started expanding, but not when she could call upon them at will, and definitely when they fought she wasn't using anyone like Thor, Hulk, etc..

Originally posted by 753
really? show me a superstrengh feat from her in her current run since she regained her tk/tp. and no, that is not what you were saying at all. her best feat is competing with a miss marvel euivalent for a while. Im underhelmed. of course, this depends on the level of the depowerement diana has suffered, but I'd bet she is still above miss marvel and is a competent martial artist, unlike rogue

What kind of strength feats are you looking for because if you are looking for lifting feats... I'm throwing in the towel since everyone doesn't go around tossing buildings.

Originally posted by Q99
Would the low-visibility environment affect his ability to make illusions?

Rogue definitely lost the full X-treme power-set before Psylocke returned from the dead, though.

I think Psylocke beat her after Rogue's powers started expanding, but not when she could call upon them at will, and definitely when they fought she wasn't using anyone like Thor, Hulk, etc..

Can't argue against this since I really don't have any proof. I'm about to look at the fight again though just to make sure.

Originally posted by Q99
Would the low-visibility environment affect his ability to make illusions?

So...probably not? I don't see why it would anyhow, it doesn't seem to rely on vision too heavily, but I could be mistaken.

Originally posted by Existere
I can't imagine that visibility was great when X-Force was fighting on the moon, and Fantomex was making effective use of misdirection there.

So...probably not? I don't see why it would anyhow, it doesn't seem to rely on vision too heavily, but I could be mistaken.

I dunno what the point of the low-visibility environment is in that case, none of 'em on either side will be *too* effected.

In a desert at night half the X-Force team can take down WW via stealth...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In a desert at night half the X-Force team can take down WW via stealth...

Even with her enhanced senses?

Can we have a clarification from the thread starter on just which Diana this is?