Speed Marvel Team vs. Speed DC Team

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Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Space M ummy
The scan that's posted above is in line with wiki's definition, and not what your definition is.

And remember that runner SLOWED HIMSELF DOWN prior to engaging surfer in battle- surfer was too slow to catch him.

and how is 57 million square miles in a couple of seconds not "flash level?"

Him being "removed from time" destroys Wiki's write-up. Like you said: if he is removed from time, how can he interact with other characters? Answer: it's a comic, and RW rules do not apply.

Like I said above: During almost the entire Runner/Surfer confrontation, Runner's "likable aura" was preventing Surfer from going all out.

Space M ummy Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
Him being "removed from time" destroys Wiki's write-up. Like you said: if he is removed from time, how can he interact with other characters? Answer: it's a comic, and RW rules do not apply.

Like I said above: During almost the entire Runner/Surfer confrontation, Runner's "likable aura" was preventing Surfer from going all out.

And here I disagree. In the posted scan, Zoom says: "my personal timeline is removed from this one. I control how fast or slow I move along it." By no means does that destroy wiki's writeup, instead it reinforces it.

period. nothing about being permanently ahead of this timeline, as was your assertion.

and as I tried to point out, Runner had to slow himself down to engage the surfer. the likable aura hadn't even taken effect.

Parmaniac Evincar of KMC

Originally posted by Space M ummy
period. nothing about being permanently ahead of this timeline, as was your assertion.
If your in a different timeline and want to be present in another one but still move faster than people in it, there's only one explanation: You slow down to move in it.

Prep-Man Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
Jay gave an explanation regarding how Zoom's powers work -- as did Zoom himself. BOTH state that Zoom exists ahead of the mainstream timeline, in his own bubble of time. Wiki is wrong in this case.

Furthermore, unless you think that anyone on the Marvel team can react faster than an AMPED Wally, then they wouldn't even begin to approach Zoom's speed -- as even after Wally was amped, he was still a slow feeb in comparison to Zoom.

Thank you. Zoom should be able to destroy most of MU.

dmills Centurion Prime

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Thank you. Zoom should be able to destroy most of MU.
Which is why unless you swap out someone on team Marvel for either TM Quicksilver or Timeslip, DC takes this handily. Zooms time abilities are too much.

Prep-Man Senior Member
Originally posted by dmills
Which is why unless you swap out someone on team Marvel for either TM Quicksilver or Timeslip, DC takes this handily. Zooms time abilities are too much.

Just wait, Professor Zoom is gonna make Zoom look like a non threat. 😉

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by dmills
Which is why unless you swap out someone on team Marvel for either TM Quicksilver or Timeslip, DC takes this handily. Zooms time abilities are too much.
I don't know if Zoom would be enough to take this by himself, but he can certainly react/blitz at speeds WELL beyond what anyone on the Marvel team can muster.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Space M ummy
And here I disagree. In the posted scan, Zoom says: "my personal timeline is removed from this one. I control how fast or slow I move along it." By no means does that destroy wiki's writeup, instead it reinforces it.

period. nothing about being permanently ahead of this timeline, as was your assertion.

and as I tried to point out, Runner had to slow himself down to engage the surfer. the likable aura hadn't even taken effect.

Like I said, I've posted the scans multiple times. Shouldn't be hard to find them.

Space M ummy Senior Member
Originally posted by Galan007
Like I said, I've posted the scans multiple times. Shouldn't be hard to find them.

and this means what, exactly? that this bubble is "ahead" and moving faster? or the location of this bubble means no one will ever catch up to it, and zoom is totally untouchable by anyone, ever? I've seen the scan, but I disagree about your interpretation.

I'm going with definition 1, especially since that definition (zoom's personal time line is "ahead" in the sense it moves faster than mainstream time) is in line with how I've seen him use his abilities, as well as zoom's claim that he can speed up OR slow down his personal timeline.

but we're getting off track.

Zoom has to be able to interact within the same space as everyone else, or he would literally not be able to touch anyone. agreed? he's just moving faster.

now what does his speed mean versus an opponent for whom the concept of distance is meaningless and malleable? being able to move 10,000 miles in a second is nothing, if your opponent can reduce a million miles in the same time by compressing space.

dmills Centurion Prime

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't know if Zoom would be enough to take this by himself, but he can certainly react/blitz at speeds WELL beyond what anyone on the Marvel team can muster.
Oh I'm not suggesting that he could, I just think that his abilities are hard to overcome without some serious mental gymnastics, although I think someone suggested earlier that taking to the air would render him all but useless during the battle.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Space M ummy
now what does his speed mean versus an opponent for whom the concept of distance is meaningless and malleable? being able to move 10,000 miles in a second is nothing, if your opponent can reduce a million miles in the same time by compressing space.
This isn't a foot race, it's a battle. Unless there is definitive -proof- that anyone on the Marvel team can match Zoom in that department (ie. perception/reaction), then I have no reason to believe they can.

I didn't respond to the rest because I just had this same discussion a week or so ago, and I'm still burnt out from the circular arguments that were formed.

Space M ummy Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
This isn't a foot race, it's a battle. Unless there is definitive -proof- that anyone on the Marvel team can match Zoom in that department (ie. perception/reaction), then I have no reason to believe they can.

I didn't respond to the rest because I just had this same discussion a week or so ago, and I'm still burnt out from the circular arguments that were formed.

foot race or battle, its all the same thing. If I'm controlling space and want to be faster than you, I can expand space for you and contract it for me- making the distance from your fist to my face a thousand miles instead of a few inches, or hell, punch in a completely unrelated direction and still hit you, because I'm warping space to reach where I want to.

but I agree, this is a difficult and pointless argument to have, and I do have elsewhere to be. Good talk.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Space M ummy
foot race or battle, its all the same thing. If I'm controlling space and want to be faster than you, I can expand space for you and contract it for me- making the distance from your fist to my face a thousand miles instead of a few inches, or hell, punch in a completely unrelated direction and still hit you, because I'm warping space to reach where I want to.

but I agree, this is a difficult and pointless argument to have, and I do have elsewhere to be. Good talk.

If Zoom hits Runner multiple times before he has enough time to activate those abilities, then they aren't much good... Hence my 'reaction/perception speed' comment(s).

Have a good one.