Link vs Lich King

Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
The plan that the Lich King set in motion during the Wrath of the Lich King is one of such astonishing complexity that neither of you seem to have picked it up. It was working exactly as intended.

It was a dumbass plan indeed. And the "ultimate army" would have been with Trhall, Varian, Garrosh, Jaina, etc as soldier of the Scourge, not 10/25 random heroes.

And Scourge force always was in greater numbers. Arthas was just dumb... Even in Light's Hope Chapel: he sent the Death Knights to its doom just to bring Tirion Fordring out of hiding... That's truly idiocy: he should have used 10,000 ghouls, geists, abominations and other "lesser" undead, not his elite army of Death Knights.

And, one of those Death Knights carried the Ashbringer... It was corrupted, but with the Holy Ground of Light's Hope Chapel, the fact that Tirion is the greatest paladin still alive, "a being that holds within it the consciousness of the most cunning, intelligent, and ruthless individuals to ever live" should have tought of it, and kept the Ashbringer "inside the Frozen Throne", to prevent ANYONE to ever use it against him.

Basically, the Lich King gave at this wrost enemy the very weapon that become his undoing.

During Warcraft 3 the Lich King was the mastermind that indirectly defeated the Legion (let's think of it: the Scourge was the true winner of the Third War). After the merging, Arthas the Lich King become an arrogant idiot that transformer the dreaded Scourge into a joke.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Maybe. There's nothing said about the barrier, though it's around Hyrule Castle.

Let me ask you this before you question the brilliance in his plan: What is an army worth if some heroes can swat it like nothing? Now imagine in place of this army a ruler is in control of a force of such power that it top that army and then some! Even in its few numbers it proved itself of greater power than his vast quantities. And that was without the gift of the Lich King.

An army is always more useful and versital than a small group of individuals. I mean, it doesn't really matter how powerful they are (short of being like superman level), a group of 20 dudes can't effectively police, rule or take on entire countries the way an army will. And the heroes didn't defeat the entire army at once, they just fought small pockets of them one at a time.

Plus if he had just killed them and kept his army, he's in no real danger of losing. Why would he need such 'uber-powerful PCs' when he's pretty much won anyway?

During Warcraft 3 the Lich King was the mastermind that indirectly defeated the Legion (let's think of it: the Scourge was the true winner of the Third War). After the merging, Arthas the Lich King become an arrogant idiot that transformer the dreaded Scourge into a joke.

Truth. By the end of Warcraft 3 the Scourge pretty much ruled the world. No demons were left to seriously threaten it, Illidan was cowed and defeated and the Horde, Sylvanas and Jaina's Alliance have no chance against them if they attacked them competantly.

The Alliance and the Horde were too weakened in the aftermath of the Third War.

The only thing that saved Azeroth from total conquers from the Scourge was Illidan's spell in Dalaran. It borken part of the Lich King's prison, weakening Ner'Zhul and Arthas, and making a lot of undead free (Sylvanas and the Forsaken) or under the control of the Dreadlords.

I'm not trying to say that the Lich King is a bad character because he's ripoff of the Witch-king AND Sauron. What I'm mad about is because Ner'zhul went from a relatively original character to a Witch-king/Sauron knock-off. Blizzard took the lazy way out with him. I probably wouldn't mind it so much if the Lich King started out like he was in WotLK. Oh well, the old Lich King is dead(good riddance!) now; hopefully the new one will prove to be a more interesting character.

As for his plan, Meioh_Hades already pointed out why it wasn't all that brilliant. What's the point of having a "brilliant" plan if you make these glaring, fatal mistakes?

Originally posted by Nephthys
An army is always more useful and versital than a small group of individuals. I mean, it doesn't really matter how powerful they are (short of being like superman level), a group of 20 dudes can't effectively police, rule or take on entire countries the way an army will. And the heroes didn't defeat the entire army at once, they just fought small pockets of them one at a time.

Plus if he had just killed them and kept his army, he's in no real danger of losing. Why would he need such 'uber-powerful PCs' when he's pretty much won anyway?

The Lich King would have presumably amped them significantly and made them his generals/leutenants. If I had been him, I would have done it after the heroes killed Kel'Thuzad or the moment they stepped into ICC. No later.

And we also have to remember, that the Alliance and the Horde are not the only enemies of the Lich King in Northrend: there are also the Kirin Tor, the Knights of the Ebon Blade, the Argent Crusade, the forces of Yogg Saron and, most important, the Wyrmest Accord.

After the Nexus War, the Lich King had ALEXSTRASZA as an enemy in Northrend (Alex was dealing with Malygos before). With such a powerful foe in his doorstep, he shouldn't have played the "I let the heroes win" game safely.

And we can even talk about Ner'zhul vision: he had seen "Frostmourne clashing with a long and powerful blade named Ashbringer"

After his awakening, Arthas surely saw the Ashbringer in the hands of Darion Mograine. He should have remembered "OMFG! I've forseen that this blade will be purified again, and will be used directly against me!"

Brilliant idea to give that sword to a lieutenant sent to his doom to bring a PALADIN out of hiding.

It's sad: but Arthas the Lich King was just a dumb arrogant brat, who either did the "Dr.Claw" game or got his ass kicked... His power and cunning are just "informed abilities", but we never truly saw them.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Taking a guess but it looks like a LoZ 'evil barrier' thing. The MS's physical prowess isn't far above normal swords, shown as other/large swords are more damaging ie Biggoron's Sword.

Looks like an evil dispel? OHWAIT, LK IS EVIL. 😬 IE, it's going to smite him. You know, that's what it does. Just because it doesn't do flashy explosions doesn't make it any less of a powerful artifact whose primary purpose is to smite evil. Holy shit, dude.

It's like you'll downplay anything. 😐 Graaahwfg. /Pulls out his own hair.

O___o Eh.. who's downplaying?

1) Im talking about the pure physical aspects of the sword -outside- of its anti-evil magic.

2) May be a gameplay mechanic but is there anything to say that the MS is physically stronger than other swords? (again talking outside of the anti-evil quirk) If there isnt it makes sense that he can rack up more damage with a two handed sword.

3) Resisting the strongest weapon thats also anti-undead is decent enough for the MS's skill not to one shot him. But like I said, getting past his durability is an easy feat..... whats you bringing up the dispel comment got to do with the point anyhow?

4) Ive long said that Link easily takes this. I think your personal grudge has blinded you to the fact that I was only asking about the physical properties of the MS and not trying to say that it isnt enought to touck LK.

Calm down and stop raging to things that arent there. -__-

Using two hands to swing a sword will generally result in more physical power behind said swing. So assuming the Biggoron sword has more physical strength behind it is natural, since two hands and all.

Only counter argument to that would be arguing the MS is made of some special metal, since it does take on weathering like a champ. However, do believe that would probably have to do with the whole magic aspect.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Using two hands to swing a sword will generally result in more physical power behind said swing. So assuming the Biggoron sword has more physical strength behind it is natural, since two hands and all.

Only counter argument to that would be arguing the MS is made of some special metal, since it does take on weathering like a champ. However, do believe that would probably have to do with the whole magic aspect.

Anyone else ever notice you sort of find the sword hanging out inside a stone pedestal most of the time? How about it being basically indestructable, occasionally shoosting sword beams and being able to penetrate Ganon who's otherwise invulnerable?

Ashbringer's evil smiting capability does not compare, that feat does not nullify the evil smiting ability of the sword against Lich King. Since, you know, the MS has better feats while depowered

That Master Sword, while depowered, could not cut through clothe. vin

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That Master Sword, while depowered, could not cut through clothe. vin

Typically lightning singes clothing. 😖hifty:

Have I mentioned how much I just ****in' don't like you guys? XD

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Have I mentioned how much I just ****in' don't like you guys? XD

Wut? I thought Scream was your buddy?

He is.

He's also a douchebag.

What? Do you like all of your friends? Weirdo.

I dun have any friends bro. My loving personality just does not seem to attract people.

Oh bullshit. You sound like Paste, who also does not want to be a person that draws others. But in another life, he was voted Prom King.

Pfft. A King getting voted. Becoming Prom King would be much cooler if they made you sword fight for it. **** yeah.

Also, I do believe that when Scream dies it will likely be due to a heart attack.

I'll take that bet, I have my money on violent retribution, or terminal stupidity. 😛