Voided Sentry vs Black Adam

Originally posted by Deadline
You don't have to go through Norse lore alot of people have vague memories of it ie Thor and Lokis trip to Utgard Loki.

I'm unsure whether you're referring to the comic book or to the myths. Either way, I'd be shocked if Bendis is aware of it.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yes I understand that completely. I actually didn't know about Loki trying to kill Thor as a child or dissecting children. This isn't the only argument I made though. As I have already pointed out villains actually reform in comics. Magneto hasn't tried to dissect children but I'm pretty sure hes been in a position were he knew his actions would kill children. Hell even some reprensentations of Dr Doom aren't evil and hes shown to have good characteristics.

The way I saw it Loki hates Thor and Asagard but when he was on the actual verge of actually destroying it he didn't want to do it. Despite all his hate a part of him still likes Asagard.

I'm not even arguing that it's out of character, to me it's not a big deal. Hell Fraction made Punisher allow himself to get beaten up by Cap when hes shot him twice. For me it was out of character but it could happen.

And I'm pointing out to you that Loki reforming, especially so much in mere moments is utterly ridiculous and stretches the realm of disbelief to it's breaking point. Loki's pretty much irredeemable as far as villains go. This was a noticeable point of Gillen's work. As he is now, Loki could not change, but he had to find a way hence the plan to return as a child. It was a lot more interesting than Bendis' child who played with fire and got burned.

Do I really have to mention Loki conquering and destroying Asgard, killing most of it's denizens, and then rebuilding it in his image? Please don't try the change of heart game with Loki. It's not an argument you'll win. His pretty much gone as far as a villain can go when it comes to crossing the line.

Loki once defended Asgard against Surtur because if the fire demon won, the Universe would be lost. That's as good as Loki gets imo and even then, it was clear where his loyalties lied. He doesn't want to destroy everything. That's one of Loki's good qualities.

I'm so goddamn tired of people who support Bendis making up crap for no other reason than to explain his disregard for continuity. Bendis doesn't give a shit what happens in other books or what has happened in the past. He's a schmuck. It's really as simple as that. Trying to spin this into Bendis getting inspiration from Norse Lore etc. is just....

Originally posted by Deadline
Yes you even stated that you like some of his stuff, the point is you can't keep pinning that shit on him when hes done good stuff.

So what, we ignore his crappy writing in favor of the good?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm unsure whether you're referring to the comic book or to the myths. Either way, I'd be shocked if Bendis is aware of it.

Myths. Most people are vaguely famaliar with the myths lets not pretend he doesn't know anything about them just because he did something you don't like.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

And I'm pointing out to you that Loki reforming, especially so much in mere moments is utterly ridiculous and stretches the realm of disbelief to it's breaking point. Loki's pretty much irredeemable as far as villains go. This was a noticeable point of Gillen's work. As he is now, Loki could not change, but he had to find a way hence the plan to return as a child. It was a lot more interesting than Bendis' child who played with fire and got burned.

I'm not sure what you mean by reform. I don't think Bendis was trying to turn Loki into a good guy, all he was doing was showing that he's not pure evil. Considering that Magneto and even Sinestro have shown good qualities I really don't see how that stretches belief that much.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Do I really have to mention Loki conquering and destroying Asgard, killing most of it's denizens, and then rebuilding it in his image? Please don't try the change of heart game with Loki. It's not an argument you'll win. His pretty much gone as far as a villain can go when it comes to crossing the line.

That doesn't prove anything. Look at the stuff that Magneto and Sinestro have done. Yes that proves he wants to conquer Asagard and rebuild it. Bendis's take on Loki is kinda like Sinestro ie in his own mind he thinks hes doing good.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Loki once defended Asgard against Surtur because if the fire demon won, the Universe would be lost. That's as good as Loki gets imo and even then, it was clear where his loyalties lied. He doesn't want to destroy everything. That's one of Loki's good qualities.

So you think that helps your argument? So the Void was going to destroy Asagard the whole of earth and possibly more makes you think its out of character for Loki to help the heroes. Not even sure if thats the only times hes helped.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I'm so goddamn tired of people who support Bendis making up crap for no other reason than to explain his disregard for continuity. Bendis doesn't give a shit what happens in other books or what has happened in the past. He's a schmuck. It's really as simple as that. Trying to spin this into Bendis getting inspiration from Norse Lore etc. is just....

Absolutely most people are familiar with Norse myths and sometimes they use it in Thor stories so clearly that couldn't happen with Bendis. Even then I'm kinda throwing that one out but it's certainly possible. Like I said twice now thats not my only argument villains reform or do good things all the time, what Bendis did wasn't that a big deal. I dunno man I would assume that Bendis is fairly well educated and has to be intelligent to be as succesful as he has been in his career. Do you have career? Hell it's not like you haven't said anything stupid before but I guess thats not possible.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

So what, we ignore his crappy writing in favor of the good?

No just acknowledge the good and bad. He

Originally posted by Deadline
Myths. Most people are vaguely famaliar with the myths lets not pretend he doesn't know anything about them just because he did something you don't like.

Unfortunately, I don't give Bendis the benefit of the doubt like I do with most writers. He's a straight up lying schmuck who lacks knowledge of what I would have assumed to be common knowledge.

I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote his scripts under a rock or something.

I highly doubt Bendis has any knowledge of Norse myths to the point they influence his work. And even if he does -that is a huge if- how in the hell would that justify what he did with Loki? These are Marvel comic books. I don't give a shit if he read the myths everyday to work, he straight up did a huge 180 on a character that was heading in a very interesting direction. It's not the first time his done it, and it's not going to be the last. The fact that you're so hell bent on deluding yourself that this wasn't just Bendis being Bendis is extremely weird.

You are taking some huge leaps here to excuse what was just straight up bad characterization as I've ever seen it. Nothing more.

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm not sure what you mean by reform. I don't think Bendis was trying to turn Loki into a good guy, all he was doing was showing that he's not pure evil. Considering that Magneto and even Sinestro have shown good qualities I really don't see how that stretches belief that much.

I don't think you understand the difference between illustrating some kindness and willingly sacrificing his life for beings he'd have killed himself an issue ago while on his hands and knees in tears, praying to Odin for forgiveness. If

DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH OF A LEAP THAT IS???????

It's like communicating with Carver. Loki was seeking redemption under Bendis.

Originally posted by Deadline
That doesn't prove anything. Look at the stuff that Magneto and Sinestro have done. Yes that proves he wants to conquer Asagard and rebuild it. Bendis's take on Loki is kinda like Sinestro ie in his own mind he thinks hes doing good.

Lmao what the heck? You just argued that when on the verge of destroying Asgard, he could not do it. I just proved you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.

And stop comparing Loki to Magneto and Sinestro. Just because they are big time villains, that doesn't make them fit analogues. Loki doesn't fight for some higher cause or anything of the sort. Loki fights for Loki. His a self centered, sadistic bastard. He lost whatever kindness he had a while ago.

For a guy who spent the last few thousand years trying to destroy Asgard, for him to suddenly to do a 180 when in the previous appearance it was clear that this was still his goal is a huge and asinine leap.

Do you not understand that there wasn't any type of conflict? That Loki straight up acted like a hero?

I'm starting to think that if Bendis wrote it, you'd be okay with Superman killing a human being. Loki's believe in himself matches that type of greater good.

The more we discuss, the clearer it becomes that you haven't actually read much Thor comics.

Originally posted by Deadline
So you think that helps your argument? So the Void was going to destroy Asagard the whole of earth and possibly more makes you think its out of character for Loki to help the heroes. Not even sure if thats the only times hes helped.

That was me pointing out how one would handle Loki fighting for the side of good. The one noticeable time Loki fought alongside good, he did it only for himself. A noble self sacrifice would be something Loki would consider utterly idiotic. He loves himself too much.

Simonson understood the character, it's the reason why Loki said he fights for himself while Thor fought for Odin and Odin fought for Asgard. Loki only intervened because if Surtur succeeded, all of the Universe would go down in flames, including Loki.

The Void was an ugly crustacean with a god complex who was following Loki's plan. Much higher stakes and Simonson handled it much better.

Originally posted by Deadline
Absolutely most people are familiar with Norse myths and sometimes they use it in Thor stories so clearly that couldn't happen with Bendis. Even then I'm kinda throwing that one out but it's certainly possible. Like I said twice now thats not my only argument villains reform or do good things all the time, what Bendis did wasn't that a big deal. I dunno man I would assume that Bendis is fairly well educated and has to be intelligent to be as succesful as he has been in his career. Do you have career? Hell it's not like you haven't said anything stupid before but I guess thats not possible.

😂

That number of leaps and the benefit of the doubt you're giving Bendis is mind boggling. Is he the father of your child or something?

I honestly don't think you read Bendis' Avengers if you think this was some deep nod at Norse mythology. And even then, it should not affect Marvel's Loki to such a great extent.

Bendis is either extremely lazy, an ******* or an idiot. It's as simple as that. His lied on multiple occasions just so he can look smarter, pulls shit out of his ass out of nowhere, does not do his research etc.

I'm not infallible, not even close, but I can confidently say that based on what I've seen, I would pit my intelligence against his.

Hold on. It was not a big deal? I'm done with this shit.

If you're so certain this was in character for Loki, let's have a battle zone. We'll see how much sense Loki's sacrifice made.

Originally posted by Deadline
No just acknowledge the good and bad.

facepalm

What the f*ck have I done exactly?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bendis is either extremely lazy, an ******* or an idiot. It's as simple as that. His lied on multiple occasions just so he can look smarter, pulls shit out of his ass out of nowhere, does not do his research etc.

Pretty much. He's done this ever since he got his hands on the Avengers franchise.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Pyms cool. He's like the Beast of the Avengers. Cept alot smarter.

He's a bit nuts too. I like that in heroes.

But Bendis has admitted that he hates him. And his fans. And yet, used Ultron in his first Mighty Avengers arc.

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't know seems to have handled alot of characters just fine, think people are blowing things out of proportion.

for every character he handles fine (and it's not many), there's a bunch he handles badly. really badly.

Originally posted by Bentley
Lol at the "backed by the writer" part.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh really? I can post the scans if I need to. Everything I said happened on panel.

Quote where Bendis said Reynolds can return whenever he wanted.

Luckily for Sentry, Thor wasn't trying to kill him until the very end.

And Thor forced a giant lightning bolt down his throat. You should be very familiar with that feeling.

Loki can't completely reform on his own from complete annihilation whereas the Void can. End of story.

Your argument has and always will be pathetic. It's like Superman demanding WW to kill him and she does so. That doesn't mean she can when Superman's actively fighting back. Just because you love Thor don't let common sense, logic, and reason take a vacation for your response.

Void can reform from complete annihilation and he didn't because he lacked the desire to exist due to the guilt of his actions of the Bob personality coming through.

Void wrecks Thor when Void wants to. Void/Bob forces Thor to kill him when he wants to. All crystal clear and backed on panel by the writer.

Originally posted by -Pr-
for every character he handles fine (and it's not many), there's a bunch he handles badly. really badly.

Ultimate Spider-Man
Daredevil

Drawing blanks....

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ultimate Spider-Man
Daredevil

Drawing blanks....

I'm even kind of meh on his Daredevil, but people seem to like it, so I'll give him that.

Luke Cage?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm even kind of meh on his Daredevil, but people seem to like it, so I'll give him that.

Luke Cage?

He turned Cage into a pseudo-herald lvl character, but I guess I can live with his characterization at times.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He turned Cage into a pseudo-herald lvl character, but I guess I can live with his characterization at times.

He did a not-shit Emma Frost, so he can have that too I guess.

Oh, yeah, Stormin' Norman. I'll give him props for Osborn.

Bendis doesnt even rate in my opinion. Besides the fact that he cant write a bigger event to save his life, he handles characters without any remorse. He just does as he pleases regardless of history or continuity.

I loathe him the most for absolutly ruining the Sentry. Seriously, he had no idea how to write the character. One book he has the power of a God, the next he's running away, crying from some D-list villian. Add the way he just added powers and rewrote orginis, its no wonder the readers hated the character.

Void/Sentry was certainly more powerful than Teth, he actually makes Teth look like a one trick pony. Was he above High Herald? In my opinion he certainly was. The very fact that he was able to reverse Owen Recce's (Molecule Mans) attempt of being nullified tells me all that I would need to know. Teth should not survive an encounter with Robert Reynolds at his best.

Originally posted by Stoic
Void/Sentry was certainly more powerful than Teth, he actually makes Teth look like a one trick pony. Was he above High Herald? In my opinion he certainly was. The very fact that he was able to reverse Owen Recce's (Molecule Mans) attempt of being nullified tells me all that I would need to know. Teth should not survive an encounter with Robert Reynolds at his best.

Originally posted by tkitna
Bendis doesnt even rate in my opinion. Besides the fact that he cant write a bigger event to save his life, he handles characters without any remorse. He just does as he pleases regardless of history or continuity.

I loathe him the most for absolutly ruining the Sentry. Seriously, he had no idea how to write the character. One book he has the power of a God, the next he's running away, crying from some D-list villian. Add the way he just added powers and rewrote orginis, its no wonder the readers hated the character.

Some vaguely defined matter manipulator with a crybaby personality and an imaginary friend is...less compelling.

Your face is less compelling.

Originally posted by Mindset
Your face is less compelling.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Which is why I'm a foot model.

so whats the general concensus? Void is just below trans, and BA cant defeat him

Sure.