Ugh! Triple post.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Unfortunately, I don't give Bendis the benefit of the doubt like I do with most writers. He's a straight up lying schmuck who lacks knowledge of what I would have assumed to be common knowledge.I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote his scripts under a rock or something.
You might be right but it's not like you haven't said retarded shit before.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I highly doubt Bendis has any knowledge of Norse myths to the point they influence his work. And even if he does -that is a huge if- how in the hell would that justify what he did with Loki? These are Marvel comic books. I don't give a shit if he read the myths everyday to work, he straight up did a huge 180 on a character that was heading in a very interesting direction. It's not the first time his done it, and it's not going to be the last. The fact that you're so hell bent on deluding yourself that this wasn't just Bendis being Bendis is extremely weird.You are taking some huge leaps here to excuse what was just straight up bad characterization as I've ever seen it. Nothing more.
You're not really in a position to call anybody stupid you have a tendency to look down on people just for having a difference of opinion. In particular I remember that Ize9 made a great case for Mjolinor increasing Thors combat speed as usual you started talking to him like he was an idiot.
Not making huge leaps of faith, stop twisting my words. I'm assuming that Bendis is an average person and like I've said several times the Norse lore thing isn't my main argument.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't think you understand the difference between illustrating some kindness and willingly sacrificing his life for beings he'd have killed himself an issue ago while on his hands and knees in tears, praying to Odin for forgiveness. If[b]DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH OF A LEAP THAT IS???????
It's like communicating with Carver. Loki was seeking redemption under Bendis.
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I think I already told you I understand that but to me it's not that big a deal, but of course you think my reasons are stupid because they differ from your opinion.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lmao what the heck? You just argued that when on the verge of destroying Asgard, he could not do it. I just proved you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. .
Um no you missed the point. Loki destroyed Asagard but rebuilt it, the point I'm making is he doesn't want it destroyed he wants to rule it. He can't rule Asagard if theres nothing to build. Bendis did a Sinestro on him ie he thinks hes good in his own mind
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And [b]stop comparing Loki to Magneto and Sinestro. Just because they are big time villains, that doesn't make them fit analogues. Loki doesn't fight for some higher cause or anything of the sort. Loki fights for Loki. His a self centered, sadistic bastard. He lost whatever kindness he had a while ago.For a guy who spent the last few thousand years trying to destroy Asgard, for him to suddenly to do a 180 when in the previous appearance it was clear that this was still his goal is a huge and asinine leap.[/B]
No theres no reason why I can't make a comparison besides from the fact in you're purely subjective opinion its a bad comparison. I would agree to an extent with Magneto but you can certainly argue that Sinestro is ireedemable as well. The guy was responsible for making Hal Jordan a multiversal threat and has worked alongside a child mass murderer, hell didn't he nearly wipe an entire alien race out? Could be wrong but Sinestro seems even worse.
Just because hes been doing it for 1000s of years doesnt make him worse than Sinestro, in comics time doesn't always make a difference.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do you not understand that there wasn't any type of conflict? That Loki straight up acted like a hero?I'm starting to think that if Bendis wrote it, you'd be okay with Superman killing a human being. Loki's believe in himself matches that type of greater good.
The more we discuss, the clearer it becomes that you haven't actually read much Thor comics.
Sorry I've read loads of Thor comics. No I understand that but you could argue that Sinestro is actually worse and nobody gives a shit about him being a white lantern. Bendis just tried a new spin on the character. I thought the hands on his knees thing was going overboard but him siding with the heroes was in character.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That was me pointing out how one would handle Loki fighting for the side of good. The one noticeable time Loki fought alongside good, he did it only for himself. A noble self sacrifice would be something Loki would consider utterly idiotic. He loves himself too much.Simonson understood the character, it's the reason why Loki said he fights for himself while Thor fought for Odin and Odin fought for Asgard. Loki only intervened because if Surtur succeeded, all of the Universe would go down in flames, including Loki.
The Void was an ugly crustacean with a god complex who was following Loki's plan. Much higher stakes and Simonson handled it much better.
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That number of leaps and the benefit of the doubt you're giving Bendis is mind boggling. Is he the father of your child or something?
I honestly don't think you read Bendis' Avengers if you think this was some deep nod at Norse mythology. And even then, it should not affect Marvel's Loki to such a great extent.
Bendis is either extremely lazy, an ******* or an idiot. It's as simple as that. His lied on multiple occasions just so he can look smarter, pulls shit out of his ass out of nowhere, does not do his research etc.
I'm not infallible, not even close, but I can confidently say that based on what I've seen, I would pit my intelligence against his.
Hold on. It was not a big deal? I'm done with this shit.
If you're so certain this was in character for Loki, let's have a battle zone. We'll see how much sense Loki's sacrifice made.
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What the f*ck have I done exactly?
Dunno about that everybody has read Norse myths before and Bendis seems like an average person. My main argument is that villains can reform. Maybe he does lie but I can think of at least one example were it seemed that somebody was taking what he said out of context.
I dunno people say they're not infallible but whenever you point something out to them they always make excuses. This argument you made seems pretty stupid and yet again you're talking down to the other person.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Force multiplier?Stop speculating. Mjolnir doesn't even really hit any of the Kronan's in the original fight. He spun it around in a circle and it kept them at bay.
Get real world physics out of here. The gap between Thor's fists and a non amped Mjolnir blow is minimal if there at all. Mjolnir's a pretty shitty melee weapon all things considered.
Originally posted by ctnn1
Uh: http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view¤t=IncredibleHulks620028.jpgUh, so you're saying that an enchanted weapon made of a material that is far, far more dense than the bones of a hand, far, far heavier, is not going to add to the power of Thors blows? Ok, I do believe this conversation is over if that's what you believe. Even in comics, certain ground rules apply Rage.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I saw Thor strike one of Korg's brothers and kill him. I did not see Thor strike Korg.Suspension of disbelief. It's a comic. You don't get to attach real world physics just because it makes your man look better. The difference between a normal punch, and someone swinging is sledge hammer is pretty large in real life. When it comes to Thor and Mjolnir, the difference is no where that big if it's there at all.
Lee wrote the biggest difference between Mjolnir blows and Thor punches on average I'd wager, but it was still nowhere near as large as a normal man/sledgehammer comparison.
Maybe I'm wrong but thats one of the most stupidest things I've heard on this forum, but I'm guessing you're going to start making excuses.
